WE have had untold problems with jamming on these boxes, despite all the TB's, mods and firmware fixes. Mainly Jam 11, 10, 42, 50 & 60. Just by chance our junior engineer decided to try the feed/sep tyres from another machine on a box retuned from a good customer ,due to constant jamming. He used old ricoh tyres from a machine that is long extinct and they worked a dream so we tried it out on our most heavily used 6030/1060 and they are still working better than the km parts. We ran thousands of copies on the workshop machine before putting them out ito the field without 1 jam. We just swapped the tyre sleeve from the ricoh shaft to the km/utax shaft. It looks like we found a lucky fix! Figers crossed. If anyone wants to try the ricoh parts no: are AF03 0080-sep and AF03 1080 feed.
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
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I'll try it. Thank for sharing. =^..^=If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.
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Re: KM6030/Utax 1060 and newer 62/82 cpm machines jam issues
I haven't had the right situation. For me, the standard OEM rollers last just fine for 500K, even when they only feed from one or two trays. Ever since the separation spring mod the tires wear evenly, so I haven't had a good reason to experiment with something that already works just fine.
Is this regarding the machine you've already posted about? =^..^=If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.
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Re: KM6030/Utax 1060 and newer 62/82 cpm machines jam issues
Yes , it is indeed. Had a lot of J32 and I think I found the issue . It was caused by one way bearing on the top vertical troller shaft. That is the only one that has 1-way bearing the rest had direct gear to motor motion.
It was not worn or dirty. I think it was just a bit sticky on the inter-rim where the rollers within the bearing have the tendencies to stick and cause over slip causing a few mili-second delay on hitting the first Reg. sensor.
I had on other machine a lot of j34 where I found that is either cables or motors. I don't have many good units to try as we have this as a common problem J32.. ( I put new tyres, spring mod,new sensors on tray1-4, new sensors on registration, tried mod on registration..) all it was working for 3k then again.. so I think if my logics serves me well that new tyres have improved the shift of the paper, then when a bit dustier, less grip slight delay and occasional misfeed j32 came back. So always was focusing on Feed units instead of the actual pass of paper further.
I hardly ever had slipping one way bearings on Kyocera (olivetti) ,where as on Konica is a rule when changing tyres.
The only think on Kyocera's I remember the reverse/eject section (ass'y) on KM3035-5035 s they were pain if you haven't had sensors on hand to swap. and those one way bearing usually were dirty and slipping.
but on this one no dirt on the cloth it came clean with the 1 way bearing..slight dis-colouring of white cloth when I cleaned the shaft on the KM6030(CD1060), so me thinking IS THIS IT...
done 3000 copies single sided. no jam then another 3000 2-sided and even reusing the same paper..mixed with fresh and ANY I found in office even really scruffy looking..it just ate it.Even abusing it when putting paper in. Just bang it in without air-venting. Just carried on ocasional stop to do cleaning and happily carrying on.. can't believe the amount of time to fix the j32 issue.
I still however looking forward to switch the machine on after the weekend and try again to see if change of temperature inside made any difference.
Thanks for any insights and suggestions as to what else to do.Comment
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Re: KM6030/Utax 1060 and newer 62/82 cpm machines jam issues
Congratulations on your find. I'm sure it's very satisfying to finally corner the culprit.
I've used oversized rollers many times to solve feed problems, but it was in the analog copier days, when there was no separate loop adjustment. The only way to increase the loop (or buckle) was to increase the circumference of the roller. Most of the digital copiers that I see have a loop adjustment, starting as far back as the Sharp AR-280.
The AR-280 (and other Tigers) had feed problems new, right out of the box. We learned that as part of the setup the buckle needed to be increased. The standard 45 was too low. Firstly, I'd increase the buckle until I got Z-folds in the vertical path, about 90, then I'd back it down about 5 points to about 85 for tray #1. The remaining trays ended up around 65. There were still plenty of other ways it could jam and skew, but adjusting the loop helped a lot. Sorry for the digression.
Is it figure 23 item 37 one-way gear 32 feed C (2FB22660)? From all appearances you removed the vertical feed drive to access the gears on the back frame. The CS-8030 uses exactly the same vertical drive shafts, gears, and one-ways. I guess I have been fortunate not to have had to solve this problem.
The other reason when I used different feed rollers was when my employer at the time was only providing Katun feed rollers, which were often worse than the worn out rollers I was removing. I found I could ask for a different Canon roller which I knew would be OEM.
aabarnes: Sorry for hijacking your thread. It is sort-of on topic, just all over the place. =^..^=If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.
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