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  • jmaister
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    • Aug 2010
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    HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

    From a 250Ci Pantone package there's a text file (cant remember the name as usual lol), that states
    "HammerMill, 28lb, 100bright"

    I guess KM/CS is using hammermill as test paper tho not officially endorsing them.

    Question is this, with Hammer's no jam 99.99% guaranteed, is their avg laser paper better than the avg of others?

    Would it be so much more better that it decreases jam occurance?
    Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.
    Tags: 250ci, ame, est, file, gloss, hammermill, image quality, jam, laser, paper, test, text
    • vigour
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      • Aug 2010
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      #2
      Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

      it produces much better quality of print/copy

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        • blackcat4866
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          • Jul 2007
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          Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

          IMHO any 24# or 28# media will jam less than any 20# media. Hammermill is good paper, but any heavier media will produce the desired effect.

          Now if trueness of color is your aim, look for the 100 brightness. Again, Hammermill is good paper, but any 100 bright paper will produce a truer color.

          I am cautious about any gloss media, and always check that it is gloss laser paper, not gloss inkjet paper. And confirm that proper media settings are used. Inkjet paper will destroy your fuser in two shakes of a cat's tail. =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • jmaister
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              Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

              thx chaps

              Under-educated lad like me will need to read the following, Pls

              SMI: Bulk, Prosperity & Smoothness
              Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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                • Ianizer
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                  Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

                  What Blackcat said.

                  Although, I am of the opinion that brightness is overrated.

                  Paper is the fifth color and, as all experience hath shewn, it's beneficial to a greater degree to calibrate properly maintained gear with the stock normally used -- the key being a high quality smooth stock -- rather than focus on some whiz-bang "120 Brightness" paper. 90 brightness (again, some may disagree) is just fine. (Besides, at a certain point they just add blueing to fool the eye.)

                  Brightness, has more to do with personal preferences for the end product than it does with the device ability to lay down a quality image.

                  And, of course, smoother stock will have the side effects of a cleaner running box and less wear on paper-path parts since it's less abrasive.

                  Hammermill 24 and 28# laser presentation stock is a very good product, as is Xerox' Expressions line.

                  -I
                  My name Peggy.
                  You got problem?

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                    • jmaister
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                      Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

                      One client was using Zrock's Xpres-ci-on, really nice stuff.



                      The HummerMill Laser Gloss is what I'm actually interested in, looking for a place to get them in store (Staples dont got them).



                      This is what I have in mind...

                      Test Equipment/Setting:
                      Saturn/Alphard
                      Paper type: color laser(high quality / normal3, for 28lb), or laser gloss (coated / heavy1 , 32lb)
                      driver and machine setting has to match.

                      PDL: KPDL, allow data passthrough
                      Driver Profile: Pantone* (has to be installed through setup wizard, unless there's another way)
                      CMYK processing: 4 channels

                      Adobe file: Made with Genuine Pantone color.*

                      *If Pantone is not available, still use KPDL, as its the only option to allow 4 channel processing.


                      Then! compare with PCL XL, PCL 5C.


                      Should be interesting to see.

                      edit: Pls, if anyone has the equipment/time/paper type, try it out.
                      Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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                        • Ianizer
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                          Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

                          Originally posted by jmaister
                          One client was using Zrock's Xpres-ci-on, really nice stuff.



                          The HummerMill Laser Gloss is what I'm actually interested in, looking for a place to get them in store (Staples dont got them).



                          This is what I have in mind...

                          Test Equipment/Setting:
                          Saturn/Alphard
                          Paper type: color laser(high quality / normal3, for 28lb), or laser gloss (coated / heavy1 , 32lb)
                          driver and machine setting has to match.

                          PDL: KPDL, allow data passthrough
                          Driver Profile: Pantone* (has to be installed through setup wizard, unless there's another way)
                          CMYK processing: 4 channels

                          Adobe file: Made with Genuine Pantone color.*

                          *If Pantone is not available, still use KPDL, as its the only option to allow 4 channel processing.


                          Then! compare with PCL XL, PCL 5C.


                          Should be interesting to see.

                          edit: Pls, if anyone has the equipment/time/paper type, try it out.
                          Okay...

                          Huh?

                          -I
                          My name Peggy.
                          You got problem?

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                            • jmaister
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                              Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

                              hmm, another of those impulsive post from me I guess(cant help it, seriously), apology for that.

                              This paper interest has tickle me enough that I want to do a quality test with KM machines, but lacking equipment due to a smaller shop, was looking if people could volunteer and share their result.

                              J
                              Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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                                • Ianizer
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                                  Re: HammerMill paper, laser, laser gloss, better than butter?

                                  Originally posted by jmaister
                                  hmm, another of those impulsive post from me I guess(cant help it, seriously), apology for that.

                                  This paper interest has tickle me enough that I want to do a quality test with KM machines, but lacking equipment due to a smaller shop, was looking if people could volunteer and share their result.

                                  J
                                  Oh. Well. GIGO is a good rule of thumb.
                                  Tickles me how people with invest in a umteen-thousand dollar MFP and then run the cheapest crap paper they can lay their hands on...

                                  Hammermill's just a big, well known brand. Good stock, but a big name.
                                  For best image quality & performance, run good quality stock that's kept cool and dry.
                                  Know what "good quality" is is key. IMHO.

                                  -I
                                  My name Peggy.
                                  You got problem?

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