Paper type and jam timing requirement.

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  • jmaister
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    #1

    Paper type and jam timing requirement.

    From my limited understanding so far that each paper type has a set of timing, starting with the default weight setting and it varies. (ie, Plain_Normal2 timing isnt the same as HighQuality_Normal2).

    In the other words, the Paper transport has different operational margin according to paper type setting.

    One of the client is running recycled stock "plain" and been jamming alot, would that be due to paper type setting being incorrect? (it was set to plain).

    The machine sounds smoother with paper type settings changed to "recycled", is that just placebo effect or am I on to something.
    Last edited by jmaister; 07-28-2011, 07:00 AM.
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  • Metalvoc
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    • Sep 2008
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    #2
    Re: Paper type and jam timing requirement.

    By "recycled" do you mean the packaging says (made from recycled materials), or is this one of those customers that re-uses all of their scrap paper? I don't know how many times I have had to tell certain customers that fresh paper will always run better than that stack in the corner that is curled and yellowing.

    As far as the settings are concerned: in my equally limited understanding, I believe that there are more changes than just timing affected when you change the paper type. In my experience, changing the paper type setting can have profound effects. Or it can do nothing at all. Depends on the situation, though it is possible that is all you needed in your case.
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    • blackcat4866
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      #3
      Re: Paper type and jam timing requirement.

      Originally posted by jmaister
      The machine sounds smoother with paper type settings changed to "recycled", is that just placebo effect or am I on to something.
      IHMO, placebo only.

      Originally posted by Metalvoc
      By "recycled" do you mean the packaging says (made from recycled materials), or is this one of those customers that re-uses all of their scrap paper? I don't know how many times I have had to tell certain customers that fresh paper will always run better than that stack in the corner that is curled and yellowing ...
      Yes, which? If this is just somebody's used (s)crap paper, you are virtually guaranteed additional jamming, and quite possibly early drum replacement. Exactly how much paper cost do you have to save to cover the cost of that one staple scratch on the drum? In just rough math, it's 10 cases of paper to break even for just one scratched drum in 50K prints. The odds are heavily against this working in the customers favor.

      I had this conversation with a customer recently so the numbers are fresh in my mind. Three months ago during the installation I warned against using crap paper, and the proof arrived even sooner than even I expected. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • jmaister
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        #4
        Re: Paper type and jam timing requirement.

        Not scrap, says something like "made from 30 percent recycled paper". This stock is 100 percent recycled, but treated so it looks and feels like plain.
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        • blackcat4866
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          Re: Paper type and jam timing requirement.

          Many of the media type selections, like letterhead, colored, and recycled, treat the paper exactly the same way as plain paper. The main reason for having a different label on the media is so that your fax receptions don't print onto letterhead, or so you can Auto Paper Switch between trays with the same designation.

          IMHO "recycled" is just another name, but treated essentially the same as plain paper. =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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