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  • Konicoz
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Jun 2013
    • 62
    #1

    to alcohol or not to alcohol

    Good morning everyone.

    In our small group of technicians a question has been raised that has left us divided and undecided. I need your experience and wisdom to settle this question
    'Is using alcohol to clean rubber feed rollers on printers / copiers good long term?' we are talking normal use paper dust cleaning.......only one rule --not production machines.....

    answers like -if you don't have anything else or if they have some kind of stuff on them doesn't count, we are talking everyday use..

    Thanks guys and gals
    Hey what ya doing? - just screwing around.
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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 22999
      #2
      Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

      No to alcohol, especially on neoprene rollers (the transparent ones). Neoprene rollers absorb the alcohol, then over time get gummy, until they turn into used chewing gum. Alcohol dries out rubber rollers.

      I prefer an orange oil based degreaser like Contractors De-Sol-Vit. It cleans the rollers well without damaging the rubber (or neoprene). For very damaged or worn rollers, a last resort is WD-40. You'll be surprised how much it improves rubber. But never spray WD-40 in a copier or anywhere else! It attacks most plastics! Spray a little into a towel, then wipe only the roller. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=
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        • JPiek
          Trusted Tech

          250+ Posts
          • Oct 2014
          • 435
          #3
          Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

          No alcohol use here either, on rubber rollers that is... i use Platenclene, PCL100...
          Alcohol only for contacts, or in a glass in the evening
          Johan
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            • eliaso
              Technician

              50+ Posts
              • Jul 2014
              • 52
              #4
              Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

              try this
              small garlic with a drops of vinegar and drops olive oil
              This only have I found:
              God created mankind upright,
              but they have gone in search of many schemes.
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                • Tricky
                  Field Supervisor

                  Site Contributor
                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2620
                  #5
                  Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                  Wd40 ftw

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                    • mbolduc
                      Technician

                      50+ Posts
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 53
                      #6
                      Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                      Over 30 years I have tried almost everything. Alcohol removes the moisture in the roller causing them to dry out. WD-40 is better because it replenishes the oils that have evaporated from the rubber. Rubber has an oil base. Good cleaners made for rubber rollers have a lot of oil in them. Cleaning with windex will make them temporarily sticky if you are going to return with new rollers soon, otherwise dries roller out as well.
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                        • subaro
                          Service Manager

                          1,000+ Posts
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1274
                          #7
                          Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                          The reason i stay away from oil based cleaners for the rollers are, if they are not completely cleaned off the rollers, then the oil can be transfered to the drum, dev, transfer belt and it make a simple cleaning job into a troubleshooting print quality problem. Most of the guys seem to like wd40, so i guess it works well. Has anyone tried KRUD CUTTER ?.
                          THE ONLY THING FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING..........edmund burke
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                            • mbolduc
                              Technician

                              50+ Posts
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 53
                              #8
                              Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                              When I use WD40- I use windex or alcohol first to get dirt off. Then I apply the wd-40 like I am coating the roller. I let sit for 30 seconds or so to absorb what it needs then dry wipe the tire thoroughly to get any excess off. Works great. Ran out of wd-40 a few times and used tri-flow as a substitute, worked fine.

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                                • qbert69
                                  Service Manager

                                  1,000+ Posts
                                  • Mar 2013
                                  • 1152
                                  #9
                                  Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                  Originally posted by subaro
                                  The reason i stay away from oil based cleaners for the rollers are, if they are not completely cleaned off the rollers, then the oil can be transfered to the drum, dev, transfer belt and it make a simple cleaning job into a troubleshooting print quality problem. Most of the guys seem to like wd40, so i guess it works well. Has anyone tried KRUD CUTTER ?.
                                  Krud Cutter, I think, is an alkaline based cleaner...I would probably stay away from it. Alkaline based cleaners tend to attack and dissolve organic based materials....like your fingers! I like the idea of the WD-40 better. At our office, we use NA Trading Belt Cleaner:

                                  http://www.natrading.com/catalog/universal-supplies?page=3


                                  Shown at bottom of page.

                                  It has a consistency and feel very similar to WD-40. So in a pinch, I could probably use WD-40!



                                  PS--no alcohol except for glass cleaning and removing toner from fuser stripper plates and fuser entry points!
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                                    • blackcat4866
                                      Master Of The Obvious

                                      Site Contributor
                                      10,000+ Posts
                                      • Jul 2007
                                      • 22999
                                      #10
                                      Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                      Originally posted by eliaso
                                      try this
                                      small garlic with a drops of vinegar and drops olive oil
                                      Are you making a vinaigrette or cleaning feed rollers? =^..^=
                                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                        • blackcat4866
                                          Master Of The Obvious

                                          Site Contributor
                                          10,000+ Posts
                                          • Jul 2007
                                          • 22999
                                          #11
                                          Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                          Alcohol is great for getting ink off of glass and covers. Alcohol is great for removing the oily residue, after you've removed label adhesive from a drum or transfer belt with orange oil cleaner. Alcohol is good for soaking out thick grease from one way bearings, before you re-oil them. Alcohol is good for cleaning electrical contacts or circuit board traces. In the rare case that I clean a corona wire, alcohol on a cotton swab works nicely.

                                          But not rollers. =^..^=
                                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=
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                                            • SwisSeV
                                              Trusted Tech

                                              250+ Posts
                                              • Jan 2016
                                              • 307
                                              #12
                                              Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                              Originally posted by eliaso
                                              try this
                                              small garlic with a drops of vinegar and drops olive oil
                                              You stole my recipe for pick-up roller salad.

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                                                • subaro
                                                  Service Manager

                                                  1,000+ Posts
                                                  • Oct 2010
                                                  • 1274
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                                  Originally posted by blackcat4866
                                                  A In the rare case that I clean a corona wire, alcohol on a cotton swab works nicely.

                                                  But not rollers. =^..^=
                                                  Mr. blackcat. Do you mean you use alcohol alone to clean the corona wire and grid and your greyscale are good. I could never get alcohol to clean those corona wires properly. when i clean and do a greyscale print out, it will show it clean some areas perfect and a line here and there. go back and clean and the line will show up somewhere else. I think i may have found the secret to corona cleaning, but will have to charge everyone 5 cents to disclose that.
                                                  What's your secret or method sir ?.
                                                  THE ONLY THING FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING..........edmund burke

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                                                    • blackcat4866
                                                      Master Of The Obvious

                                                      Site Contributor
                                                      10,000+ Posts
                                                      • Jul 2007
                                                      • 22999
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                                      No great secret. Unless the wire is new, you won't get that perfect gradation. The only time cleaning corona wires does any good is if it's part of AIO unit that does not disassemble, and total unit replacement is the only alternative.

                                                      But I'll pay my 5 cents to hear the secret. What do you do? =^..^=
                                                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                                        • Postcan
                                                          Junior Member
                                                          • Sep 2013
                                                          • 3
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: to alcohol or not to alcohol

                                                          Originally posted by Konicoz
                                                          Good morning everyone.

                                                          In our small group of technicians a question has been raised that has left us divided and undecided. I need your experience and wisdom to settle this question
                                                          'Is using alcohol to clean rubber feed rollers on printers / copiers good long term?' we are talking normal use paper dust cleaning.......only one rule --not production machines.....

                                                          answers like -if you don't have anything else or if they have some kind of stuff on them doesn't count, we are talking everyday use..

                                                          Thanks guys and gals
                                                          Nifty or alcohol work great for me and roller material lasts well beyond the replacement life of the roller itself.


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