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  • curious george
    Technician
    • Aug 2013
    • 16
    #1

    [Misc] Charging toner with carrier

    Hi guys,

    Just a quick and rather odd question. Does a larger toner generate a greater Q/m then a smaller toner assuming both toners are made up of the same "stuff"

    Thanks in advance,

    CG
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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 23009
      #2
      Re: Charging toner with carrier

      Yes ... but not for the reason you think. When I first started out in the business 25 years ago the toner particle size was at least 3x larger than today's toner. Those analog machines needed proportionately more tribo-electric effect to hold the larger toner particles to the developer. Don't forget though that analog toner has the opposite charge as digital toner. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • curious george
          Technician
          • Aug 2013
          • 16
          #3
          Re: Charging toner with carrier

          Originally posted by blackcat4866
          Yes ... but not for the reason you think. When I first started out in the business 25 years ago the toner particle size was at least 3x larger than today's toner. Those analog machines needed proportionately more tribo-electric effect to hold the larger toner particles to the developer. Don't forget though that analog toner has the opposite charge as digital toner. =^..^=

          Im a little confused between analogue and digital printing, can you please elaborate?

          Thanks

          CG

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            • NeoMatrix
              Senior Tech.

              2,500+ Posts
              • Nov 2010
              • 3513
              #4
              Re: Charging toner with carrier

              Originally posted by curious george
              Im a little confused between analogue and digital printing, can you please elaborate?

              Thanks

              CG
              Analogue copying uses scan photo conduction directly down to the drum via a set of mirrors. After primary charge a latent image forms/remains directly on the drum during the scan; ready to develope.

              Digital copying uses photo conduction but replaces the last scan mirror with an analogue to digital CCD, which creates digital encoded data.
              After primary charge on the drum the digital encoded data drives a laser beam which is then scanned across the drum to produce the latent image ready for development.

              The above is a very simplified analogy.....
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                • blackcat4866
                  Master Of The Obvious

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                  10,000+ Posts
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 23009
                  #5
                  Re: Charging toner with carrier

                  Thanks, Neo. =^..^=
                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • curious george
                      Technician
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 16
                      #6

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                        • NeoMatrix
                          Senior Tech.

                          2,500+ Posts
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3513
                          #7
                          Re: Charging toner with carrier

                          What are you building/constructing George ?
                          You seem to be interested in the finer details of photo static technology ?
                          You're not building a better toner-bomb are you?

                          There are members on this forum who can help you with that.....
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                            • blackcat4866
                              Master Of The Obvious

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                              10,000+ Posts
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 23009
                              #8
                              Re: Charging toner with carrier

                              If you're hoping to reverse engineer a digital copier, I'm going to strongly advise against it. Copier companies often hire a team of guys who's sole responsibility is to design such equipment. Some are better ... some are worse, and all of them are exponentially better than anything I could come up with.

                              In the egotism of my youth I thought that I could improve on the manufacturer's designs, and I could definitely criticize them, but any improvements I could make would only be incremental in the broad scheme of things. =^..^=
                              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                • curious george
                                  Technician
                                  • Aug 2013
                                  • 16
                                  #9
                                  Re: Charging toner with carrier

                                  hi guys,

                                  No toner bombs, and definitely not reverse engineering any copier/printer. I know they are highly specialised and the guys who are designing the copiers are all PhDs in Physics, something which i am not!.

                                  I was, as my name suggests, curious

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