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  • nadimtopsecret
    Experienced Tech
    • Mar 2013
    • 47

    #1

    [Error Code] RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

    Dear all,
    I'm facing a very bad problem in last few days with RICOH MPC2003 Brand new machine. In this model I frequently facing same Black toner loading problem although there is full bottle of toner. When it's appears first, I changed the problematic toner with new toner but still the problem is same. And its happening again and again, not in one machine, but in maximum machine (6-7) appears same problem. So, the matter of fact is that, is it the problem of black toner or the machine ? I also give force toner and checked all unit but there is no physical problem shown.
    So, please help me with this problem, if you know.
  • Cipher
    It's not easy being green

    1,000+ Posts
    • May 2006
    • 1309

    #2
    Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

    I would remove and check over the black sub-hopper, plastic coil and mylar scoop.
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    • copier tech
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      • Jan 2014
      • 8103

      #3
      Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

      Old post I know but I have the same issue, what was your solution?
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      • Polarbear
        Service Manager

        1,000+ Posts
        • Feb 2012
        • 1070

        #4
        Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

        Originally posted by copier tech
        Old post I know but I have the same issue, what was your solution?
        This series (including the mpc2011) is plagued by the black supply coil breaking.

        The coil runs around a 90 degree corner and the strain is too much for the small contact point that the coil has on the drive section.

        It then snaps clean off. This causes the machine to make the right sound when an output check is done (unlike the coils that bind up on the spc430).

        We have repaired them, but you also have the option to replace the assembly.

        I use fine grit sand paper to roughen the area on the drive side where the auger broke off - this helps the glue to grip the plastic. I then cut the one leg of an ordinary staple, and press it into the middle of the auger (at the end that broke off the drive side). I then (using a sharp tip pliers) force the staple into the middle of the drive side. This helps to hold the auger in place on the drive side. Once it is home, I build up the area with instant glue with glue powder (we buy a product called Q-bond that comes with bonding powder).

        It is a bit of work to get the supply unit out, but I have had at least 3 x MPC2011 with the same condition. Once repaired, none of them has called back since.

        mpc2011_subhopper.jpg
        Last edited by Polarbear; 01-13-2017, 02:20 PM.
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        • uziah

          #5
          Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

          @Polarbear...
          I had the same issue with the magenta... The toner empty indication was appearing.. The spiral/coil was found broken... But after fixing it with glue, the message of toner empty for magenta is still there... I have rechecked the spiral/coil it found fixed.. And also feeding the toner, but the message is not disappearing ...
          Please help.. Thanks...

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          • Polarbear
            Service Manager

            1,000+ Posts
            • Feb 2012
            • 1070

            #6
            Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

            Originally posted by uziah
            @Polarbear...
            I had the same issue with the magenta... The toner empty indication was appearing.. The spiral/coil was found broken... But after fixing it with glue, the message of toner empty for magenta is still there... I have rechecked the spiral/coil it found fixed.. And also feeding the toner, but the message is not disappearing ...
            Please help.. Thanks...
            Hi. So did you do a forged toner supply after the repair? Did you check to see that the toner supply toned up? Is there toner in the holder area?

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            • uziah

              #7
              Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

              Originally posted by Polarbear
              Hi. So did you do a forged toner supply after the repair? Did you check to see that the toner supply toned up? Is there toner in the holder area?

              Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
              Hello.. Thanks for your reply sir,
              Yeah I checked the toner feeding Assembly, it was working after fixing the spiral and its cavity was full.. But after force feeding of magenta toner toner SC 362-03 appeared... i-e TD sensor output error for (M)
              Then after servicing drum unit, this error was removed.
              But empty toner magenta is still there. Although magenta toner is over fed.
              I checked the remaining toner quantity in bottle of (M) in SP Mode, it was 210 gm, But SP 3101-003 i-e Toner Status: Disp of Magenta was showing value 2 of 10 whereas others were at 10 of 10...

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              • Polarbear
                Service Manager

                1,000+ Posts
                • Feb 2012
                • 1070

                #8
                Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

                Originally posted by uziah
                Hello.. Thanks for your reply sir,
                Yeah I checked the toner feeding Assembly, it was working after fixing the spiral and its cavity was full.. But after force feeding of magenta toner toner SC 362-03 appeared... i-e TD sensor output error for (M)
                Then after servicing drum unit, this error was removed.
                But empty toner magenta is still there. Although magenta toner is over fed.
                I checked the remaining toner quantity in bottle of (M) in SP Mode, it was 210 gm, But SP 3101-003 i-e Toner Status: Disp of Magenta was showing value 2 of 10 whereas others were at 10 of 10...
                Other toner condition is because of that 2 out of 10. That is a near end condition. How much toner is physically left in the bottle compared to the other bottles?

                Remember the machine did not know the feed was broken so it kept on turning the bottle and counts the rotations as if toner is fed.

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                • uziah

                  #9
                  Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

                  Originally posted by Polarbear
                  Other toner condition is because of that 2 out of 10. That is a near end condition. How much toner is physically left in the bottle compared to the other bottles?

                  Remember the machine did not know the feed was broken so it kept on turning the bottle and counts the rotations as if toner is fed.

                  Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
                  Right. Physically Magenta bottle is about 75% full... Others are also 70-80% full...

                  Please also note that; at SP 3102 i-e Toner Remain: Disp
                  003 i-e Bottle Motor (M) is showing 0
                  013 i-e Pixel (M) is showing 210g

                  SP3101 i-e Toner Status: Disp
                  003 for M showing 2 (out of 10)
                  Last edited by Guest; 01-26-2018, 09:48 AM. Reason: more information

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                  • wholesaler
                    Technician
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 20

                    #10
                    Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

                    Originally posted by nadimtopsecret
                    dear all,
                    i'm facing a very bad problem in last few days with ricoh mpc2003 brand new machine. In this model i frequently facing same black toner loading problem although there is full bottle of toner. When it's appears first, i changed the problematic toner with new toner but still the problem is same. And its happening again and again, not in one machine, but in maximum machine (6-7) appears same problem. So, the matter of fact is that, is it the problem of black toner or the machine ? I also give force toner and checked all unit but there is no physical problem shown.
                    So, please help me with this problem, if you know.

                    im pretty sure its the toner board in the rear of the machine every color has its own board it has been a very common problem

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                    • mga
                      Copier Technician

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                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 1393

                      #11
                      Re: RICOH MPC2003 Black toner empty signal.

                      This is a very common problem check to see if toner is coming out of hopper into dev assy just fit NEW toner hopper assy they are now in the pm listing to replace no point in trying to fix the old one.
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