Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

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  • Boltaction
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    • Jul 2016
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    Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

    Hey guys, I have an account with an MP9002 where a ton of scanning is being done. Their originals are some kind of carbon type paper being scanned in to their server. Previously, they had an MP9001 running the same originals that had the same problems I am having with this feeder. Again, very high volume scanning, usually not large packets but between 5-20 pages at a time. These originals have always been a problem, they swell all the feed rollers to the point where they slip off the shaft, even the separation roller gets swollen and regularly needs to be replaced. They also trash my one-way bearings and coat my sensors.

    Routine maintenance is done monthly, sometimes I'm able to get 2-3 months before cleaning or replacing anything but recently I've noticed the J006 jam at registration frequently. This account is used to this feeder jamming but it is becoming a big deal because this jam is shredding the original right at the skew correction roller. It got to the point where if I run my transport motor in service mode and put any kind of pressure on the transport roller, or any roller that uses the transport motor, it siezes up before restarting. As a test, I swapped the feed motor with the transport motor and it did the same thing. Every shaft and one-way bearing that drives the transport has been replaced, the motor has been replaced and the idler pulley has been cleaned and lightly lubricated per a technical bulliten I found that showed similar symptoms.

    I've played around with tension on the belt, making incremental adjustments and testing. I've gotten to know this feeder way too well over the last couple of years and this problem *seems to be new.

    ADF Free Run in service mode runs great, so does copy mode. My thought on my next trip to the customer is to turn ADF Contact Mode ON so that hopefully it slows the scans down just enough to where this issue doesnt come up.

    That being said, I'm reaching out to you guys to see if you have any suggestions other than firmware. (which seems unlikely)

    Thanks in advance to you all.
  • Boltaction
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    #2
    Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

    Incredibly helpful suggestion my friend.

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    • LNorris
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      #3
      Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

      Search for the MP7502 adf jam issue. same symptoms, different resolutions. the on pdf i found here talked about cleaning and lubrication of bushings, seemed to work for me. changing the resolution helped, but slowed scanning way down

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      • Boltaction
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        Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

        Originally posted by LNorris
        Search for the MP7502 adf jam issue. same symptoms, different resolutions. the on pdf i found here talked about cleaning and lubrication of bushings, seemed to work for me. changing the resolution helped, but slowed scanning way down
        As I said, and I know it was a long post but I try to cover all my bases before coming to this site, I have gone through my bushings multiple times since i've replaced every feed and transport shaft in this feeder, as well as the idler pulley which was pointed to in the PDF you mentioned.

        As for the resolution, I did increase the DPI which seemed to help but like I said they are scanning to a server which will store these documents indefinitely so IT instructed me to reduce the DPI as they were noticing increases in file size.
        Reducing the scanning speed isn't ideal IMO just because it doesn't solve the underlying problem but at this point that's what I'm aiming for which is why, in theory, changing ADF Contact Mode might help me because it pulls each page to a brief stop at registration before being sent the rest of the way, which in theory will slow the feeder down.

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        • Xcelsior
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          • Jan 2017
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          #5
          Previous Ricoh Field Service Tech II - November 2017.

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          • vargue
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            #6
            Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

            did yo use the same paper in free run mode.

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            • Boltaction
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              #7
              Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

              Originally posted by vargue
              did yo use the same paper in free run mode.
              I only use the paper they run through the machine, not the carbon/chemical style paper simply because damaging those originals is not ideal.

              Edit: I should clarify, the originals themselves are not necessarily a problem, it's the usage of them over time that affects my feed rollers, one-ways and sensors which then jams the feeder. If the feeder is jamming, I can always replicate it with plain paper.
              Last edited by Boltaction; 06-20-2018, 03:46 AM.

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              • Boltaction
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                Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                I believe I have cleaned and lubricated every shaft and bushing on this feeder as I have replaced just about every shaft.

                I have used tri flow in the past but I have since used silicone compound on these bushings which has always worked well for me. Maybe it's too thick for this application and I'll need to go through them with something slicker.

                The damage on the originals is most prevalent at the skew correction roller because the seizing up happens at registration as soon as the feed motor hands off to the the transport motor. Could it be that the plastic skew correction guide rollers are under too much tension from the springs pushing on them?

                They say keep it simple, but the simple explanations are being stretched *razor thin.

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                • davel
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                  #9
                  Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                  Carbon type paper is not recommended original.

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                  • MIKON
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                    #10
                    Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                    Do a search of this forum for mikon.I have a pic posted in a older post of the pulley and shaft you have to clean and lube.I tried to upload it put i couldn't upload it.

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                    • Boltaction
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                      #11
                      Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                      Originally posted by davel
                      Carbon type paper is not recommended original.
                      I appreciate the tip, but as I've clearly stated, I realize the issues that this paper causes in my feeder but I am looking to solve my current jamming problem.

                      As I've also stated before, I've been able to get months of usage without major problems before needing routine maintenance.

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                      • Boltaction
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                        Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                        Originally posted by MIKON
                        Do a search of this forum for mikon.I have a pic posted in a older post of the pulley and shaft you have to clean and lube.I tried to upload it put i couldn't upload it.
                        Yes, idler pulley as stated in a TSB. It has been done already.

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                        • Mark Bbb
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                          #13
                          Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                          Worn out guides could be the cause.
                          Did you checked them?

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                          • MIKON
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                            #14
                            Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                            Originally posted by Boltaction
                            Yes, idler pulley as stated in a TSB. It has been done already.
                            Did you remove the assembly like in my pic and remove the pulley off the shaft or did you clean and lube it as stated in the TSB????
                            Attached Files

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                            • Boltaction
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                              #15
                              Re: Ricoh MP 9002 ADF jamming

                              Originally posted by Mark Bbb
                              Worn out guides could be the cause.
                              Did you checked them?
                              I have considered it, I have a feeder from an MP6000 that I can pull guides from.

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