can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

[Ed Harris]

Hi, I am an end user and a dealer has rented to me a ricoh mp 5000, but I think the counter is incresing very fast, So I would like to know if the machine can be configured in any way to increase the coutner abnormally, I don't know maybe by counting each copy as 2 copies or something like that.

For several months with this machine I have had this doubt, but this month is even bigger, the counter has increased by 56000 using only 2 bottles of tonner, as far as I understand each bottle only last 15.000 copies or prints.

Those bottles of tonner I mentioned weren't even full, they were lets say at 80% of their capacity.

Thanks in advance.

PD: I take the numbers from the digital counter becouse I do not know where the mechanical counter is in this model.

[keithxxiii]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

IMHO, you can't simply increase the digital counter of the machine. If you are a tech, you could check the logging data for number of jobs. It shows the average jobs you do. Might as well check the printer driver. I remember the PCL6 driver was set to 2-sided by default.

[Phil B.]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

[QUOTE=Ed Harris;742359]Hi, I am an end user and a dealer has rented to me a ricoh mp 5000, but I think the counter is increasing very fast, So I would like to know if the machine can be configured in any way to increase the counter abnormally, I don't know maybe by counting each copy as 2 copies or something like that.[QUOTE]

well ltr/ltrr counts as 1 click legal=1,5 clicks.. lgr=2 clicks
what are you printing size wise?

[QUOTE] For several months with this machine I have had this doubt, but this month is even bigger, the counter has increased by 56000 using only 2 bottles of toner, as far as I understand each bottle only last 15.000 copies or prints.[QUOTE]

Industry Standard = 15,000 prints/copies @ 5% coverage on an 8.5x11" page so your question depends on: Coverage - Density - Borders and Pics - Media
Also .. if your machine is spilling TONER on the INSIDE and you haven't call a tech.. stop bitching!

[QUOTE]Those bottles of toner I mentioned weren't even full, they were lets say at 80% of their capacity.[QUOTE]

You are doing a VISUAL CHECK.. look on the bottle.. bottle is filled per GRAM load...
Bet you complain when the cereal box isn't full also!

Thanks in advance. PS: I take the numbers from the digital counter because I do not know where the mechanical counter is in this model.

THIS model MAY NOT have a mech counter!

no doubt an end user that thinks he's getting fucked by the "nasty cheating tech"

PS.. if you haven't noticed I corrected all your spelling mistakes in the "QUOTED" areas.. No need to thank me...

[sandmanmac]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Hi, I am an end user and a dealer has rented to me a ricoh mp 5000, but I think the counter is incresing very fast, So I would like to know if the machine can be configured in any way to increase the coutner abnormally, I don't know maybe by counting each copy as 2 copies or something like that.

For several months with this machine I have had this doubt, but this month is even bigger, the counter has increased by 56000 using only 2 bottles of tonner, as far as I understand each bottle only last 15.000 copies or prints.

Those bottles of tonner I mentioned weren't even full, they were lets say at 80% of their capacity.

Thanks in advance.

PD: I take the numbers from the digital counter becouse I do not know where the mechanical counter is in this model.

Sorry, but you're brutally mistaken!
The stated yield of the toner for this machine is estimated approx. 30,000 pages/ bottle - not 15,000! So you're count is actually damn near perfect for the estimated usage
All Toner bottles will 'appear' to be only 2/3's or 3/4's full until they're shaken up (which they should be before installation), so there's room for the particles to easily expand

EDIT: Seems that I agree with Phil
Beat me to it by a few seconds

[Phil B.]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

[QUOTE=sandmanmac;742362]Sorry, but you're brutally mistaken!
The stated yield of the toner for this machine is estimated approx. 30,000 pages/ bottle - not 15,000! So you're count is actually damn near perfect for the estimated usage
All Toner bottles will 'appear' to be only 2/3's or 3/4's full until they're shaken up (which they should be before installation), so there's room for the particles to easily expand

EDIT:

Seems that I agree with Phil
Beat me to it by a few seconds

ummm thanks??

[blackcat4866]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Don't forget that on most MFP's A3 is two clicks (twice A4), and duplex A3 is four clicks. It's not counting pieces of paper, it's counting A4 sized images. =^..^=

[tjvincent]

[vargue]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

First that's all depend on your developer tank if it's good yo will precisley reach to normal performace 30.000. if developer exhausted that's affect on toner rate.may be 15.000 or 12.000.or less. Yo will find out alphabet raised on papers. Detect full counters test. Caculate your yield

[slimslob]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

I have checked the product support guide and the expected toner yield is 30K. This yield is based on a 5% coverage of an A4/8.5X11/letter size page, double spaced with 1 inch borders(all 4 edges). As for the bottles being only 80% full, that is normal if the bottle is stored standing up. Settling when setting upright will lower the level in the bottle to the 80% mark or lower. After you shake a bottle you will find that it will be much closer to being full. Store your bottles lying flat and you will have far fewer problems from toner clumping.

[tsbservice]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Well lengthy first post author, isn't it. You do some conclusions based on wrong maths, how about learning basics BEFORE bitching? Toner bottles, boxes, etc. should never be filled up or so. Toner tends to compress when stored for long time, then space is needed and I always force shake/ even beat toners before install.

[MIGUELMARCHENA]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Hi, I am an end user and a dealer has rented to me a ricoh mp 5000, but I think the counter is incresing very fast, So I would like to know if the machine can be configured in any way to increase the coutner abnormally, I don't know maybe by counting each copy as 2 copies or something like that.

For several months with this machine I have had this doubt, but this month is even bigger, the counter has increased by 56000 using only 2 bottles of tonner, as far as I understand each bottle only last 15.000 copies or prints.

Those bottles of tonner I mentioned weren't even full, they were lets say at 80% of their capacity.

Thanks in advance.

PD: I take the numbers from the digital counter becouse I do not know where the mechanical counter is in this model.

What size of paper do you handle? For trade that is, 8 1/2 x, 14, l counter can double contsr .... now, there is a mechanical counter if I am not hidden in the right, close to the high voltage card

[mikadonovan]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Hi, I am an end user and a dealer has rented to me a ricoh mp 5000, but I think the counter is incresing very fast, So I would like to know if the machine can be configured in any way to increase the coutner abnormally, I don't know maybe by counting each copy as 2 copies or something like that.

For several months with this machine I have had this doubt, but this month is even bigger, the counter has increased by 56000 using only 2 bottles of tonner, as far as I understand each bottle only last 15.000 copies or prints.

Those bottles of tonner I mentioned weren't even full, they were lets say at 80% of their capacity.

Thanks in advance.

PD: I take the numbers from the digital counter becouse I do not know where the mechanical counter is in this model.

Lol. The short answer is NO. 11x17 prints count as 2, but as far as actually changing the actual count, it is not possible. The only exception would be to address a controller issue with a nvram replacement, and that actually returns the count to zero. Nobody is trying to rip you off like that. Sheeesh. BTW, I loved your role in "The right stuff". Great movie

[sturmtrooper]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

Lol. The short answer is NO. 11x17 prints count as 2, but as far as actually changing the actual count, it is not possible. The only exception would be to address a controller issue with a nvram replacement, and that actually returns the count to zero. Nobody is trying to rip you off like that. Sheeesh. BTW, I loved your role in "The right stuff". Great movie

By default this machine counts A3/11x17 as single page on the meter. Though it's very possible the company running the contract changed that setting.

[Coptech]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

So how much paper are you buying? Does it match the copies they told you that you ran? Seems like the simplest check to me. As mentioned early on, they may have it defaulted to two side originals and you are paying for the blank backside of a single sided original but that should easily be caught by knowing how many cases of paper you are using....just a suggestion.

[slimslob]

Re: can a counter be increased abnormally in a ricoh mp 5000

By default this machine counts A3/11x17 as single page on the meter. Though it's very possible the company running the contract changed that setting.

Most companies, dealers, set it to count as 2 clicks before delivering. This allows more accurate billing when toner is included in the maintenance contract.