Is this true.....

[KenB]

Re: Is this true.....

Back in the days of coated paper electorstats and paper pirates if we got a copy quality from a customer who had not purchased paper recently I would take the paper that we sold with me. The first thing I would do was teat the machine with the paper they had and also with ours. When the quality was good with our paper and crap with the paper they had I would give them the choice of paying me to attempt to adjust the machine, use only our paper or call who ever they bought the paper from and see if they would send someone to adjust their machine. Unapproved supplies were not covered by maintenance contracts.

This reminds me of the era of the Canon liquid machines, which I grew up on.

They were touted as "plain paper" machines, which they technically were, but needed a hard finish paper with a very low rag content. Not only was CQ terrble with the wrong papaer, but if enough of it passed through the machine, the developer would get contaminated, and would require a flush. (It would actually turn from black to a milky grey if it was bad enough.)

Canon certainly did sell the paper, but we always sold a Hammermill stock that met the specs, and worked perfectly well.

Needless to say, we had more than a few customers complain that it was NOT a plain paper copier.

[slimslob]

Re: Is this true.....

This reminds me of the era of the Canon liquid machines, which I grew up on.

They were touted as "plain paper" machines, which they technically were, but needed a hard finish paper with a very low rag content. Not only was CQ terrble with the wrong papaer, but if enough of it passed through the machine, the developer would get contaminated, and would require a flush. (It would actually turn from black to a milky grey if it was bad enough.)

Canon certainly did sell the paper, but we always sold a Hammermill stock that met the specs, and worked perfectly well.

Needless to say, we had more than a few customers complain that it was NOT a plain paper copier.

Savin used to sell plain paper fluid toner models. If I remember they were the 770, 760 and 750. I think it was the 750 that was referred to as the black baby coffin.

[KenB]

Re: Is this true.....

Savin used to sell plain paper fluid toner models. If I remember they were the 770, 760 and 750. I think it was the 750 that was referred to as the black baby coffin.

I think Saxon was another player involved.

[KenB]

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Savin used to sell plain paper fluid toner models. If I remember they were the 770, 760 and 750. I think it was the 750 that was referred to as the black baby coffin.

The Canon models were the NP-70/L7, NP-50, NP-60/30, and the NP-80.

[slimslob]

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The Canon models were the NP-70/L7, NP-50, NP-60/30, and the NP-80.

The Bakersfield Canon, American Business Machines, had me look at an NP-60 to see if I could adapt a coin op to it and maybe a large capacity feed system to it. We were making them for the Royal RBC1 and the Savin 770. They couldn't guarantee my boss enough orders to be viable. We did the Savins mainly for a dealer out of somewhere in Texas that had a huge business in coin ops. Used to use the Olivetti Coinfax, a coin operated version of the Copia2 and later the Copia3.