[Misc] SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

[mrwho]

Hello there.

I'm having MUSIC and line position adjustment troubles on a C5100 - I'm ordering the ITB and bias roller (following TonerMunkeh's advise not directed at me, but still good advise) as I type this, but the reason why I'm starting this thread is another:

The machine has the SP2194 which gives back MUSIC execution results - but I can't find anywhere the table describing these results (even after searching other models, both older and newer).

Anyone seen this?

[limo]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

You can use the SMC HISTORY TOOL. There is an explanation for the codes with a lot more information for the condition of the machine

[TonerMunkeh]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Sorry dude I should have been clearer, it's the 4 drum bias rollers, part number D2586166 and the oppose roller, D1366186.

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Sorry dude I should have been clearer, it's the 4 drum bias rollers, part number D2586166 and the oppose roller, D1366186.

Thank you, I did assume so - ordered all that. Thanks again.

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

You can use the SMC HISTORY TOOL. There is an explanation for the codes with a lot more information for the condition of the machine

The SMC history tool is a great tool, but shouldn't replace the SP codes explanation on the service manuals...

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Thank you, I did assume so - ordered all that. Thanks again.

Status update: After leaving the machine turned on overnight, the problem is gone.

It's a return machine that now sits in the showroom, so I guess that a mixture of handling it over and then leaving it off caused the problem.

Lets see if it keeps that way.

[fshead]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

I buy only lease returns and find machines that sit for a long time not running will get a lot of humidity on the ITB so I now pull drums,ITB unit on all machines..
This is on the mpc3503/mpc3504 series but i can see it happening on most ricoh colors

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Status update: After leaving the machine turned on overnight, the problem is gone.

It's a return machine that now sits in the showroom, so I guess that a mixture of handling it over and then leaving it off caused the problem.

Lets see if it keeps that way.

Sorry for reviving this old thread of mine, but it's the same machine and the same problem - Machine fails belt-related adjustments - SP2924-04, SP2111-04 to 01, Music, you name it. After 4 tries it errors out with SC285 and SC496.

The density is good, the belt and transfer/bias rollers are new (although it will need another belt, because I managed to damage it already from all the times I pulled it out and back in). Cleaned the sensors. Tried to zero all the adjustments and try again. Tried to manually adjust SP2101 to close the gap between the colors and then try 2111-04 again - no success. Finally took out the lasers to check if there was any misplaced mirror - nothing.

So far I'm inclined to the ID sensors or the ITB unit.

The reason I'm posting this here is to see if anyone had any experience with these errors that could help me confirm or deny my suspicions.

Best regards!

[luca72]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Sorry for reviving this old thread of mine, but it's the same machine and the same problem - Machine fails belt-related adjustments - SP2924-04, SP2111-04 to 01, Music, you name it. After 4 tries it errors out with SC285 and SC496.

The density is good, the belt and transfer/bias rollers are new (although it will need another belt, because I managed to damage it already from all the times I pulled it out and back in). Cleaned the sensors. Tried to zero all the adjustments and try again. Tried to manually adjust SP2101 to close the gap between the colors and then try 2111-04 again - no success. Finally took out the lasers to check if there was any misplaced mirror - nothing.

So far I'm inclined to the ID sensors or the ITB unit.

The reason I'm posting this here is to see if anyone had any experience with these errors that could help me confirm or deny my suspicions.

Best regards!

I don't know that model, I don't have any around, but the ITB could have hidden somewhere on the sides an encoder disk under some cover, which maybe got dirty and creates problems in synchronization

[luca72]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

I don't know that model, I don't have any around, but the ITB could have hidden somewhere on the sides an encoder disk under some cover, which maybe got dirty and creates problems in synchronization

out of personal curiosity, I checked the manual, and there, it would be the AW020210, page 242 of ITA part
manual version.... I would give it an eye

[fshead]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Sorry for reviving this old thread of mine, but it's the same machine and the same problem - Machine fails belt-related adjustments - SP2924-04, SP2111-04 to 01, Music, you name it. After 4 tries it errors out with SC285 and SC496.

The density is good, the belt and transfer/bias rollers are new (although it will need another belt, because I managed to damage it already from all the times I pulled it out and back in). Cleaned the sensors. Tried to zero all the adjustments and try again. Tried to manually adjust SP2101 to close the gap between the colors and then try 2111-04 again - no success. Finally took out the lasers to check if there was any misplaced mirror - nothing.

So far I'm inclined to the ID sensors or the ITB unit.

The reason I'm posting this here is to see if anyone had any experience with these errors that could help me confirm or deny my suspicions.

Best regards!

Did you pull and vacuum out or change the ITB cleaning unit?
I have seen hair and other debris on many lease returns and swap the unit out if i am pressed for time..
i have to check those two codes

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

out of personal curiosity, I checked the manual, and there, it would be the AW020210, page 242 of ITA part
manual version.... I would give it an eye

There are two encoders - one at each end. Both were cleaned, but I'm going at it again, just in case.

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

Did you pull and vacuum out or change the ITB cleaning unit?
I have seen hair and other debris on many lease returns and swap the unit out if i am pressed for time..
i have to check those two codes

Yes. Last thing I did was replace the ID sensors with a new unit. Even SP2111-4 (roughest adjustment) gives me errors.

I'm now going to take out the ITB and dismantle it, to look for clues.

[luca72]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

There are two encoders - one at each end. Both were cleaned, but I'm going at it again, just in case.

I got a flash, a 15 years ago, I had your problem, on a 2232c, and I discovered that there was one of the drums hard to turn, and he was doing that joke there,try spinning them with your hands, and see if there's anyone a bit stuck
forgive me, but I don't know how them you clean the encoders, but the disk must be beautifully transparent, and the stripes must be seen clearly, I use water, to avoid erasing them, and a good blow to the sensor

[mrwho]

Re: SP2194 and MUSIC Execution Results - Where's the table?

I got a flash, a 15 years ago, I had your problem, on a 2232c, and I discovered that there was one of the drums hard to turn, and he was doing that joke there,try spinning them with your hands, and see if there's anyone a bit stuck
forgive me, but I don't know how them you clean the encoders, but the disk must be beautifully transparent, and the stripes must be seen clearly, I use water, to avoid erasing them, and a good blow to the sensor

Thanks for the tip. That hadn't ocurred to me, but I had a similar problem - an ITB movement error on a ProC7200 caused by a binding PTR.

I checked the PCDUs and there was no binding. BUT after disassembling and reassembling the ITB (I clean the encoders with a soft cloth and alcohol, btw) the machine is finally accepting some of the ITB-related adjustments!

I'm now proceeding carefuly with all the adjustments in the book, trying to bring it up to normal.

Thank you all.