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  • Snowman
    Technician
    • Oct 2011
    • 13

    Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

    I have a vintage Ricoh 1022 which has started to put a thick black band across the copy. How do I cure this please?
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  • 40yearsplus
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    • May 2020
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    #2
    Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

    Run multiple copies and see if the band rotates then measure it against the width of the consumable EX: Drum to see if it matches the mark of diameter.

    Also let us know if it is short edge feeding or long edge feeding. If its short then clean coronas, or charge rollers and check drum blade/drum, developer surface, optics.

    Look and eliminate things. GL

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    • Gift
      Service Manager

      1,000+ Posts
      • Mar 2011
      • 2412

      #3
      Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

      Probably the cleaning blade starts failing in the center and dirt got onto the charge roller

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      • TonerMunkeh
        Professional Moron

        2,500+ Posts
        • Apr 2008
        • 3873

        #4
        Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

        Does the mark show up on a counter page? If so, PCU. If not, optics.
        It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

        Hit it.

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        • 8T2
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          • Aug 2015
          • 257

          #5
          Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

          Looks like either the cleaning blade or possibly charge roller to me...assuming this was printed LEF/Portrait. There should be a corresponding band across the centre of the drum if it's the cleaning blade. You can check this easily enough by opening the side door.

          It's worth a shot splitting the PCU and cleaning the charge roller and drum cleaning unit because the drum looks like it's still in good shape. Both the cleaning blade and charge roller are available as seperate service parts and you may still be able to find a complete pcu1027 somewhere too if you wanted to take that route

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          • mikadonovan
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            • May 2008
            • 2936

            #6
            Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

            Since there is setoff, drum blade or fuser roller.
            NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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            • Vincent128
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              • Sep 2015
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              #7
              Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

              Oh I remember those machines!..Wow thats an old sucker.

              Clean the PCR roller

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              • Snowman
                Technician
                • Oct 2011
                • 13

                #8
                Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                Thank you for all the quick and helpful answers.
                1) with multiple copies, the band stayed in the same place and the positions of the variations in density of the black band were largely consistent between copies.
                2) it is long edge feeding
                3) the mark does show on the counter page
                4) there is a corresponding mark around the drum
                5) the photoconductor unit was replaced 5 years ago with a new unit type 1027 and has only done about 2000 copies since then so should still be in good condition. Total print copies now about 140,000.
                It is an old machine. I bought it second hand about 13 years ago for my business and have been retired for the last 11 years so it gets only minimal use as a copier and PC printer.
                I will take your collective advice that it is probably the cleaning blade or charge roller and will try to open it up myself. I found a video on youtube that shows how to do it - Replacing drum charging roller cleaning blade RICOH MP 1600 2000 2352 2510 2550 2851 2852 3010 3350 - YouTube

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                • Phil B.
                  Field Supervisor

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                  • Jul 2016
                  • 22808

                  #9
                  Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                  Originally posted by Snowman
                  Thank you for all the quick and helpful answers.
                  1) with multiple copies, the band stayed in the same place and the positions of the variations in density of the black band were largely consistent between copies.
                  2) it is long edge feeding
                  3) the mark does show on the counter page
                  4) there is a corresponding mark around the drum
                  5) the photoconductor unit was replaced 5 years ago with a new unit type 1027 and has only done about 2000 copies since then so should still be in good condition. Total print copies now about 140,000.
                  It is an old machine. I bought it second hand about 13 years ago for my business and have been retired for the last 11 years so it gets only minimal use as a copier and PC printer.
                  I will take your collective advice that it is probably the cleaning blade or charge roller and will try to open it up myself. I found a video on youtube that shows how to do it - Replacing drum charging roller cleaning blade RICOH MP 1600 2000 2352 2510 2550 2851 2852 3010 3350 - YouTube

                  5 years on the same photoconducter ?

                  pull the PCDU apart .. get some Nu Finish car polish (liquid type) coat the PCR and buff off when dry.. repeat process 2-3 times until PCR is clean re-install .. test

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                  • mikadonovan
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                    • May 2008
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                    #10
                    Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                    Originally posted by Snowman
                    the photoconductor unit was replaced 5 years ago with a new unit type 1027 and has only done about 2000 copies since then so should still be in good condition
                    You would think that, but in reality it doesn't always work that way. I have had these pcu's fail within a few hundred prints, and the blade and developer degrade with age, no matter the count.
                    NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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                    • Gab
                      Senior Tech
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 633

                      #11
                      Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                      Originally posted by Snowman
                      I have a vintage Ricoh 1022 which has started to put a thick black band across the copy. How do I cure this please?
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                      Problem with drum. Disasseble drum unit ,remove opc drum and then clear at the area of the coaxial axis .Perhaps stuck some dirts .
                      Test it.
                      If it doesn;t work. Check opc drum surface at the area that print the dark line. if it scratched replace drum unit else replace blade.

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                      • Phil B.
                        Field Supervisor

                        10,000+ Posts
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 22808

                        #12
                        Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                        Originally posted by Gab
                        Problem with drum. Disasseble drum unit ,remove opc drum and then clear at the area of the coaxial axis .Perhaps stuck some dirts .
                        Test it.
                        If it doesn;t work. Check opc drum surface at the area that print the dark line. if it scratched replace drum unit else replace blade.
                        sounds more like a PCR

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                        • blackcat4866
                          Master Of The Obvious

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                          • Jul 2007
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                          #13
                          Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                          In the sample do you see the residual image of the butterfly wing? I'm guessing thats a drum diameter. If I had Adobe Reader open on my PC I could measure.

                          I'm going to guess that it's a combination of primary roller (focusing charge in that area), and drum blade (unable to clean off the resulting heavy band of toner. Regardless, you'll need a new drum unit. =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                          • DRichard
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                            • May 2008
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                            #14
                            Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                            Originally posted by Vincent128
                            Oh I remember those machines!..Wow thats an old sucker.

                            Clean the PCR roller
                            "VINTAGE", you philistine!!!
                            "Enjoy every sandwich."

                            -- Warren Zevon

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                            • tsbservice
                              Field tech

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                              • May 2007
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                              #15
                              Re: Black band on Copy from Aficio 1022

                              Originally posted by blackcat4866
                              In the sample do you see the residual image of the butterfly wing? I'm guessing thats a drum diameter. If I had Adobe Reader open on my PC I could measure.

                              I'm going to guess that it's a combination of primary roller (focusing charge in that area), and drum blade (unable to clean off the resulting heavy band of toner. Regardless, you'll need a new drum unit. =^..^=
                              Sounds logical.
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