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  • luca72
    Field Supervisor
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    • Oct 2017
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    Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

    hello everyone, after having tested RFUT on various machines in the laboratory, with encouraging results, today, he called one of our customers whose it service required an fw update, on our mpc3003 and 2003 by scanning to folder, then, since it is in center in Milan,it is never parking, I connected remotely, and I directly downloaded, and installed RFUT directly on the client's PC, well, I ran everything, on one machine and then on the other, everything went smoothly, however, I noticed which took too little time, about 30 seconds) then I got suspicious, and I opened WIM and compared the versions on the octopus site, and in fact, it hasn't updated anything! do you have any idea?
    "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)
  • Mark Bbb
    Service Manager
    1,000+ Posts
    • Jun 2012
    • 1662

    #2
    Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

    Originally posted by luca72
    hello everyone, after having tested RFUT on various machines in the laboratory, with encouraging results, today, he called one of our customers whose it service required an fw update, on our mpc3003 and 2003 by scanning to folder, then, since it is in center in Milan,it is never parking, I connected remotely, and I directly downloaded, and installed RFUT directly on the client's PC, well, I ran everything, on one machine and then on the other, everything went smoothly, however, I noticed which took too little time, about 30 seconds) then I got suspicious, and I opened WIM and compared the versions on the octopus site, and in fact, it hasn't updated anything! do you have any idea?
    Try updating at another customer machine... same?

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    • luca72
      Field Supervisor
      1,000+ Posts
      • Oct 2017
      • 1477

      #3
      Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

      Originally posted by Mark Bbb
      Try updating at another customer machine... same?
      hi Mark, this is the first, remotely, another I tried in person on an mpc2051, I could not see it on the net, but that is another story, maybe I was on another network segment, and I gave up, I wasn't there for that either, I did it as proof, here in the lab it worked
      "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)

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      • Mark Bbb
        Service Manager
        1,000+ Posts
        • Jun 2012
        • 1662

        #4
        Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

        I also like to use this tool (remotely), but i have never really checked afterwards if the upgrade was more recent or not.
        In fact, sometimes i also think that this upgrade is not the latest and sometimes even deprecated than the previous!
        I just trust Ricoh is doing their job.
        Last edited by Mark Bbb; 11-12-2021, 12:47 PM.

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        • sandmanmac
          Field Supervisor
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          2,500+ Posts
          • Feb 2009
          • 3928

          #5
          Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

          Originally posted by Mark Bbb
          I also like to use this tool (remotely), but i have never really checked afterwards if the upgrade was more recent or not.
          In fact, sometimes i also think that this upgrade is not the latest and sometimes even deprecated than the previous!
          I just trust Ricoh is doing their job.
          I don't think that the tool would ever roll back any F/W versions, but I can confirm that just yesterday I was called by a referral customer that had acquired an MP402 and needed it setup in his home office. I figured that it may need a F/W update and after attempting to setup scan to folder and failing, I went ahead and ran the tool from my own laptop, and as indicated by Luca, it finished quickly and stated "Latest".
          I then ran the update from service mode and found a newer package to download and install, so Yes, it seems that the Tool doesn't necessarily update to the very latest version.

          ALSO, on a side note I am also frustrated by the fact that basically the day that a newer version of the tool is released, the previous version is no longer useable, as I just found out when I opened it up. The new version (1.3) was released on Nov. 10th and my version MUST be updated in order to use it.

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          • KenB
            Geek Extraordinaire
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            • Dec 2007
            • 3946

            #6
            “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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            • sandmanmac
              Field Supervisor
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              • Feb 2009
              • 3928

              #7
              Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

              Originally posted by KenB
              Great idea, but lousy execution.

              Overall, I think the tool is a very bad idea.

              Borked firmware updates are responsible for far too many bricked machines.
              Hmmmm.....As I think about it maybe this explains why the tool doesn't necessarily download the most current version, until it's had a fair amount of "real world" use.
              Just a thought....

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              • Maged_elagamy
                Technician
                • Mar 2021
                • 34

                #8
                Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                Originally posted by luca72
                hello everyone, after having tested RFUT on various machines in the laboratory, with encouraging results, today, he called one of our customers whose it service required an fw update, on our mpc3003 and 2003 by scanning to folder, then, since it is in center in Milan,it is never parking, I connected remotely, and I directly downloaded, and installed RFUT directly on the client's PC, well, I ran everything, on one machine and then on the other, everything went smoothly, however, I noticed which took too little time, about 30 seconds) then I got suspicious, and I opened WIM and compared the versions on the octopus site, and in fact, it hasn't updated anything! do you have any idea?
                is there any tutorial how to use it ?

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                • luca72
                  Field Supervisor
                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 1477

                  #9
                  Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                  Originally posted by Maged_elagamy
                  where can i download RFUT ?
                  is there any tutorial how to use it ?
                  Type in Google "Ricoh firmware update tool" and download It from the First Ricoh proposed link.

                  No Need instruction, Its to simple too use
                  "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)

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                  • sandmanmac
                    Field Supervisor
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                    • Feb 2009
                    • 3928

                    #10
                    Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                    Originally posted by Maged_elagamy
                    is there any tutorial how to use it ?
                    Absolutely!
                    I've put together the following for you:
                    Download
                    Run

                    C'Mon Man!

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                    • slimslob
                      Retired
                      Site Contributor
                      25,000+ Posts
                      • May 2013
                      • 34772

                      #11
                      Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                      Originally posted by Maged_elagamy
                      is there any tutorial how to use it ?
                      Originally posted by sandmanmac
                      Absolutely!
                      I've put together the following for you:
                      Download
                      Run

                      C'Mon Man!
                      In case you really need more instructions, I just checked. The download file is a self-extracting zip file. When you double click on the download file, it will create a sub folder and copy everything to that folder. Two of the file are readme text files, one in English and the other in Japanese. They are the closest to an operation manual that is available. Most techs and end users just follow the on screen prompts.

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                      • Mark Bbb
                        Service Manager
                        1,000+ Posts
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 1662

                        #12
                        Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                        Originally posted by KenB
                        Great idea, but lousy execution.

                        Overall, I think the tool is a very bad idea.

                        Borked firmware updates are responsible for far too many bricked machines.

                        Even running updates through DMNX / SLNX doesn’t always work as expected.
                        Then Ricoh must block this tool:
                        or they maintain it properly OR they must remove it!!!!
                        I'm i wright?

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                        • luca72
                          Field Supervisor
                          1,000+ Posts
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 1477

                          #13
                          Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                          Originally posted by Mark Bbb
                          Then Ricoh must block this tool:
                          or they maintain it properly OR they must remove it!!!!
                          I'm i wright?

                          UPDATE: yesterday I tried on an mpc2004, which rotate the originals, RFUT, it worked, it took about 30 minutes, I didn't solve the problem with the firmware, but by having the customer do a sp801 reset of the scanner by phone, anyway , it seems to work best on new, or updated machines
                          "loneliness is an invention of the white man, when we are alone we talk to everything around us, we are never alone" (Ojibwa)

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                          • Maged_elagamy
                            Technician
                            • Mar 2021
                            • 34

                            #14
                            Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                            Originally posted by sandmanmac
                            Absolutely!
                            I've put together the following for you:
                            Download
                            Run

                            C'Mon Man!
                            THanks

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                            • mikadonovan
                              Senior Tech
                              Site Contributor
                              2,500+ Posts
                              • May 2008
                              • 2932

                              #15
                              Re: Ricoh firmware update tools it's a lie!

                              I recently used RFUT on 4 MP 501's in shop, and it worked great. I compared the updates to the firmware history, and it did the job.
                              NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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