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  • rednecktech
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Jan 2010
    • 54

    #1

    Ever seen this???? VIDEO

    Hey guys,

    I am having a weird little problem that I am having here. The machine is a RC3300 with the BU3030 bridge unit. This happens ONLY on envelopes and I'm not sure if it is a machine problem or what. Watch the video, see as the envelope comes up and stalls slightly on the "gray" roller sometimes longer than others causing it to time out and jam. Has anyone ever seen this? These envelope seem like the standard envelope 4x9, standard thickness. This machine has 63k and she states she has always run them this way. Thanks in advance!!

  • Coptech
    worker drone

    250+ Posts
    • Dec 2009
    • 460

    #2
    I may be wrong but I have never heard of any machine running envelopes that direction. I thought they would have to run lengthwise feed properly.

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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 22929

      #3
      For most copiers & MFPs the paper path cannot accommodate media less than 8.25" long. I'm surprised they feed that well honestly. The machine specs say 5 1/2" x 8 1/2" long way.
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • Vulkor
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • Jun 2009
        • 942

        #4
        ok like the others said. I cannot BELIEVE that you are even passing the envelopes in that direction. Usually the registration or fuser will freak out. As for the pause, good luck, maybe the bearings are worn that the grey roller sits in. I'm also surprised the Envelope Flap isn't flipping back in the Fusing Unit.

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        • mrwho
          Major Asshole!

          Site Contributor
          2,500+ Posts
          • Apr 2009
          • 4299

          #5
          True. Check the operation manual for the correct way to load envelopes - I believe that if you load them with the short side as the leading edge, your problems should be over.
          ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
          Mascan42

          'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

          Ibid

          I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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          • teebee1234
            Service Manager

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            • Jul 2008
            • 1670

            #6
            I agree with the previous posts, you can see a hesitation just before the envelope reaches the rollers.

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            • knightfall
              Senior Tech

              500+ Posts
              • Jul 2006
              • 633

              #7
              is this video of the output of the envelope to the internal tray because you listed the bridge unit and it looks confusing, but as coptech pointed out most printers usually print the other way. In the users manual "Copying onto Envelopes" it illustrated the landscape direction in the bypass and setting thick 2. Good luck.
              Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.

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              • mikadonovan
                Senior Tech

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                2,500+ Posts
                • May 2008
                • 2931

                #8
                Rednecktech, what a GREAT way to explain your problem. Love the video. I agree with the previous posts. Tell her to run them lengthwise.
                NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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                • unisys12
                  Trusted Tech

                  250+ Posts
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 490

                  #9
                  I've actually had good luck with running envelopes this way. Only difference was that I opened the flap. I have one small print shop that if the client wants less than 200 envelopes, they run them on their Savin 3535. More than that, they send out, but you get the idea. I also have a church that prints upwards 400 envelopes for monthly mailings. So, it works. Like I said though, I have to open the flap of the envelope. Also, there is no C10 option (Common 10 Envelope size). You have to chose the.... oh God! What is it... 41/8 x 9 1/2 size I think. Even though by the reading of the size, you would think it should feed through short edge feed, but it has worked for me.

                  If you run them lengthwise, they will wrinkle.
                  sigpic
                  The first law states that energy is conserved: The change in the internal energy is equal to the amount added by heating minus the amount lost by doing work on the environment.

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                  • msaeger
                    Trusted Tech

                    250+ Posts
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 333

                    #10
                    That is the direction Ricoh tells you to run them only they say you need to open the flap.

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                    • mrwho
                      Major Asshole!

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                      • Apr 2009
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                      #11
                      Perhaps the opened flap adds the extra length the machine needs to feed them properly.
                      ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
                      Mascan42

                      'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'

                      Ibid

                      I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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                      • rednecktech
                        Technician

                        50+ Posts
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 54

                        #12
                        PROBLEM SOLVED: The customer is going to run them long ways now. Thanks for all of the replies. The first day I walked in I asked her if she has always run them this way and she said yes. It is good to know about opening the flap to give it just a touch more length. Thanks again.

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                        • Fearless V K
                          Senior Tech

                          500+ Posts
                          • May 2007
                          • 620

                          #13
                          Opening the flap also helps combat envelope wrinkling.
                          Don't take that toner with me!

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                          • bob scheffer
                            Technician
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 27

                            #14
                            I have seen this exact same problem with regular 20lb. paper about three times. The paper stalls as it attempts to enter the "nip" of the exit rollers. i repaired all 3 of these by taking out the white idle rollers and trimming the raised flanges from both ends of these idlers. They are similar in design to what used to be referred as "Stiffness Rollers". An old bulleton for jamming on another Ricoh copier from about 10 years ago told us to trim the flanged edges on these and that fixed the jamming at the time. I applied this same logic/fix to the bridge unit exit jam I was having more recently and it resolved the issue immediately. It is difficult however to cut through these hard plastic rollers. I used a heated up blade to cut through the plastic. Not pretty, but Simple and Effective Fix.

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                            • blackcat4866
                              Master Of The Obvious

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                              • Jul 2007
                              • 22929

                              #15
                              It sounds like Dremel work to me. A course sanding wheel on low speed would make short work of this task. =^..^=
                              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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