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  • Lotec
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Feb 2008
    • 97
    #1

    Athena 2.5 & Apollon 2.5 ... any thoughts?

    I did the Ricoh exams for the MPC3001/3501 & the MPC4501/5501 some days ago...

    I see they've made some inprovementes around the drum and in the fuser..
    Do you think is will make a significant difference?
    The new material in the charge roller..
    The charge roller is still not a part I can order as a separate part.. wtf..
    (I've just spent my day changing 15 drums... the first company that make a separate charge roller/brush unit will sell many thousand... I load my car with 16 drums a day now.
    We have acutally started to buy air moisturizers to the customers now. Too bad most of them never think about refilling them with water..)

    Do you think it will be possible to use the black drums as color drums? I see the black drums have a larger carnauba wax bar, and a part inside has a different angle then what the color drums have.. . . and there is a new black toner and developer..
    Are they makeing sure we can't use black drums as color drums?
    We will not sell more than 1 of the new machines to start with - and to see it run 200K copies at least.. before we start selling more.

    We have almost stopped selling the Ricoh MPCs because of the drum situation.
    We sell 6 Kyocera color machines for every Ricoh now... So far we have not had one single problem with the Kyocera machines (except a few problems with SMB scanning in the beginning - but with the help from a few techs here at the copytechnet, it was solved quickly). If the Kyocera machines start to have problems with the drums I will quit.
    Tags: amou, black toner, color drums, colour drum, error message, fuser, kyocera, life, mpc4501, oil rollers, ops, ricoh, scan, scanning, sell, techs, toner, unit, wtf
    • Cipher
      It's not easy being green

      1,000+ Posts
      • May 2006
      • 1309
      #2
      The charge roller is still not a part I can order as a separate part.. wtf.
      It's politics / marketing, just like the price difference between colour and black drum units.
      They are either taking a hit on black drum unit price to keep the price per copy down (which I doubt).
      Or they are making a huge mark up on the colour drum units to keep the price of a colour copy artificially higher than it needs to be (more likely).

      But basically there is no cash to be made on parts that go over yield.
      • Knowledge not shared, is eventually knowledge that becomes lost... like tears in the rain.

      Fully qualified technician for Ricoh - Canon - Sharp - HP - Brother

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        • jonezy999
          just one copy??

          Site Contributor
          500+ Posts
          • Feb 2010
          • 952
          #3
          These rollers are giving me the shits aswell. Cant say ive found anything that will last as a fix. Had one this morning fail @ 20K, which is our shop copier, which eliminates users and environment. Yeh, thanks Ricoh.

          As for ya kyocera's, i find these newer colour boxes are letting us down in the fuser exit area, anyone else.
          I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. ~Thomas Edison

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            • sg01
              Technician
              • Nov 2010
              • 16
              #4
              it is really disappointing to see Manufacturer side not doing anything about changing the parts allocation for the PCU (bk, C, M, Y). It's really time to separate the Charge Roller for all MPC's PCU and allow this separate part order. We all know for sure that the PCU especially Magenta for MPC have got factory fault and cannot last beyond 25k. prints.

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                • TonerMunkeh
                  Professional Moron

                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 3865
                  #5
                  Not had a chance to have a look at one of these yet. Are the PCU's the same as the C2?
                  It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

                  Hit it.

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                    • moonraker
                      Technician

                      Site Contributor
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 28
                      #6
                      Originally posted by sg01
                      it is really disappointing to see Manufacturer side not doing anything about changing the parts allocation for the PCU (bk, C, M, Y). It's really time to separate the Charge Roller for all MPC's PCU and allow this separate part order. We all know for sure that the PCU especially Magenta for MPC have got factory fault and cannot last beyond 25k. prints.
                      The new ones have been modified, not sure if they will be compatible. K drum now 200K. I suspect they have changed the black drum to try and stop it being used as a colour one. The cyan and magenta PCUs have swapped position in the machine.
                      K Dev powder is different, colours the same as C2 but different amount.

                      I see the fuser has two stripper plates and the paper doesn't angle through the fuser to 'stop' fuser wrap.
                      The heater roller has a 300K life but will stop the machine at 330K and throw a SC code
                      "
                      After 330k, the material of the heating roller may start to deteriorate, and will change to a powder. So to prevent this, the machine stops automatically at 330k (an error message is displayed)."

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                        • E Winter
                          #7
                          Damn it - again new PM parts, that's lame. I haven't seen these new machines as well.

                          The First MPC Series (MPC2500-4500) was still the best, that's why we keep them refurbishing and selling as 2nd hand. The second series was a step backwards because of ongoing problems with the dev units (light stripes) and more complicated to clean PCUs/Charge Roller components or worse fuser (no oil rollers, loud machanics for the fuser roller release drive on the MPC4000/5000).

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