Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

[ucinn]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

our company uses the 1027 in all the models that use the b205, and never have any problems with them, they usually last past the 80K life on them. Yes, you have to manually run the dev init.

[Athlontini]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

I've seen the 1027 pcu didn't last for 12k after the replacement.

Sadly, so have I - but the same thing is common with the type 1515 PCU's. It just seems like some of them turn out to be crap and some of them (and I'm including the 1515's here) will go twice their yield without breaking a sweat. A lot of the time it just depends.

[kannuki2]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

I want to mention this will be my last reply to this controversial post. In my opinion, the rebuild of the B205 pcu is considerably easier and cheaper than swapping the 1027 when the customer scratch the drum. However, there are ways to rebuild the 1027 pcu but it's tedious. To sum it all, each individual have the right to do whatever it takes to make the machine running again in a low cost fashion way. If you have the money to buy a new pcu each time the customer scratch the drum surface before the PM cycle then you are more than welcome to do it this way. As my company policy, we are not allow to do it. PERIOD.

Good nite...

[Polarbear]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

We generally replace the dev unit gears when we do a drum/dev rebuild on the breakable units. I noticed that the dev gears are wider than the 1027 gears (almost like mp2000 gears), and when the narrower gears are fitted it chews them up in no time at all. I also expect faster wear on the 1027 gear train, as it has to run faster in a unit where it was designed for about 27 cpm?

[katash]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

rebuilds are pain in the neck!!

[rthonpm]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

We've really hit an issue where there isn't a 'right' answer. Volume, environment, customer abuse, and all kinds of variables will affect whether one strategy works for a tech/company or not. As a rule I use 1027 PCUs, but I do keep a rebuilt B205 drum on hand as well. So long as you're making effective use of your time and generating a profit on the contract no matter which way you're going then you must be doing something right.

[Phil the copy guy]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

I don't know how many machines you have in your area but we had one tech who is great at swapping the 1027 pcus on 400 machines (MP3025/2550) in our area. It cost more just to keep up with the cleaning and changing it back to the B205 pcu. Up to now, the managers are thinking about firing him for doing it.


it cost around $350 for 1027 pcu

it only cost $180 to rebuild B205 pcu with drum charge, cl blade, charge cleaning, developer.

Why? why? why spent more?

OEM 1027 pcu unit
130.00 at most whosalers

[Lotec]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

What the f***!! Have I been changing all those parts for so many years - and I could have used a complete PCU?

When I service the 1018, 2018, 3025 AND not to forget the Adonis series 450, 1045, 2045 and so on.. I really want to bitch slap a few Ricoh engineers. This can NOT be a serious attempt on good engineering? Come on.. the 1018 --> should either be a cartridge model, or have significant longer PM intervals and/or should be designed more service friendly and be more technically robust / have a better design. What I want is .. like when you look at a machine and see the technical solution the engineers have made, and it is awesome - and it makes me happy inside, just to see the clever design.. and I'm thinking that I would never have come up with such a good design myself. When I look at the fuser and the drum unit on the 1018--> and the 450--> I just get depressed and want to find another job. The feed and paper tray mechanisms on the 1018--> is all rubbish as well.
And don't get me started on the Adonis .. the prototype should have been scrapped - and they should have made a smaller version of the 1060. Even the new models like the MP4000 have not removed all of the design flaws.. it's getting better, but should still have a fuser and a drum unit based on the 1060.

I have always disliked the smaller B/W Ricohs.. wondering why I had to perform a PM every 60-90K... when "smallish" HP printers runs perfect 200-250K (depending on model) EVERY time.
I've been wondering why they just didn't fit a complete cartridge in these - given the short lifespan. Ricoh needs some serious industrial espionage.

First thing in the morning I will check the price at least, and then order a 1027 PCU - if the price is OK. I should clearly check this forum more often.

[Phil the copy guy]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

What the f***!! Have I been changing all those parts for so many years - and I could have used a complete PCU?

When I service the 1018, 2018, 3025 AND not to forget the Adonis series 450, 1045, 2045 and so on.. I really want to bitch slap a few Ricoh engineers. This can NOT be a serious attempt on good engineering? Come on.. the 1018 --> should either be a cartridge model, or have significant longer PM intervals and/or should be designed more service friendly and be more technically robust / have a better design. What I want is .. like when you look at a machine and see the technical solution the engineers have made, and it is awesome - and it makes me happy inside, just to see the clever design.. and I'm thinking that I would never have come up with such a good design myself. When I look at the fuser and the drum unit on the 1018--> and the 450--> I just get depressed and want to find another job. The feed and paper tray mechanisms on the 1018--> is all rubbish as well.
And don't get me started on the Adonis .. the prototype should have been scrapped - and they should have made a smaller version of the 1060. Even the new models like the MP4000 have not removed all of the design flaws.. it's getting better, but should still have a fuser and a drum unit based on the 1060.

I have always disliked the smaller B/W Ricohs.. wondering why I had to perform a PM every 60-90K... when "smallish" HP printers runs perfect 200-250K (depending on model) EVERY time.
I've been wondering why they just didn't fit a complete cartridge in these - given the short lifespan. Ricoh needs some serious industrial espionage.

First thing in the morning I will check the price at least, and then order a 1027 PCU - if the price is OK. I should clearly check this forum more often.

I don't think I'm allowed to give suppliers name on this website and I want to get in trouble but if you Email me At pfabres@aol.com ill give you the number whereby it

[RandyW]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

We have replaced the 8025 drum units with PCU Type 1027s when we have problems with the gears breaking. They may not always last as long but you don't end up with all of the other things to replace and clean up. We don't do it with all of 8025 type machines we have out there just the ones that seem to go through the gears the most.

[Venom]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

I always used the 1027 pcu in the 3025's. There is less chance of screwing something up and was quick to install. I always had great yields on the 1027 pcu's but was forced to stop because of parts cost. To a field tech with 300+ MIF, time is more important than price of parts.

[b003ace]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

Another advantage to using the Type1027 instead of the PM Kit is the option for the customer to SELF-INSTALL, saving a service call all together. Leave the PCU alarm turned on and drop ship to the customer. Granted, this won't work at some customers, especially the ones that can't even load paper correctly. But for many of your better customers, the PCU swap is an easy way to keep them up and running. If you are concerned about expense, set the PCU alarm for an extra 10% (66K). In any well maintained machine, these will run that far. The tech can pick up the used PCU for recycling at the next EM call.

[rthonpm]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

Another advantage to using the Type1027 instead of the PM Kit is the option for the customer to SELF-INSTALL, saving a service call all together. Leave the PCU alarm turned on and drop ship to the customer. Granted, this won't work at some customers, especially the ones that can't even load paper correctly. But for many of your better customers, the PCU swap is an easy way to keep them up and running. If you are concerned about expense, set the PCU alarm for an extra 10% (66K). In any well maintained machine, these will run that far. The tech can pick up the used PCU for recycling at the next EM call.

Long term, you will be looking at CQ issues with this strategy. 25/30+ ranges of this series no longer do the autodetect and initialisation when a new PCU is installed. Just like with the stock PM part drum, you need to manually run the developer initialisation.

[patterson70]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

Long term, you will be looking at CQ issues with this strategy. 25/30+ ranges of this series no longer do the autodetect and initialisation when a new PCU is installed. Just like with the stock PM part drum, you need to manually run the developer initialisation.

Hello, could anyone direct me on how to do the developer initialization on a 3025? I know you have to put a piece of paper between the drum and DV unit but from there I can't recall.

[sandmanmac]

Re: Will a type 1027 pcu fit a Ricoh 3025 (Savin 8025)?

I know you have to put a piece of paper between the drum and DV unit but from there I can't recall.

Not on this one you don't, and that would be a tricky task.
SP2801 (pretty standard SP for the B&W machines)