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  • Iowatech
    Not a service manager

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    • Dec 2009
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    #16
    Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

    Originally posted by Foo
    I did go in and looked over the settings and didn't see anything that looked off.
    I tried to set something (can't remember what) back to the the default voltage but whenever I entered the new voltage(default) it did not let me change it.

    Sorry I know that's vague but I'm not recalling the exact setting. Seems like it was something that was set to 1500 and needed to be at 1700 but the machine would not let me change it.

    Jeff
    To check the drum ground you have to use a meter, there are no settings for it. See if there are more than a couple of ohms between the drum drive coupling on the machine to frame ground.
    Sounds like like what you tried to adjust was the drum charge setting. I'm not sure, but you might need to press the "*" key before you enter the numerical value. At least some of the machines in this series required that.

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    • teebee1234
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      #17
      Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

      First, skip the memory clear suggestion. One other possibility for developer being pulled is that the erase lamps are not turning on (above the pcu and left as you look from the front of the mfp). If the lamp board has failed, charge will build up on the drum surface and eventually attract developer to it. It's not common but I have had this happen twice some years back. If you cheat the front door you should see them come on when the device initializes.

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      • BLADE
        former propeller tester

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        • Dec 2009
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        #18
        Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

        Originally posted by Eric1968
        I'm pretty sure a Memory Clear won't solve it. It will only make things worse. All settings, including TD-sensor values, voltages, and a lot of other settings will return to default. If you want to do a memory Clear, which I wouldn't do, make sure to backup the NVRAM contents, so you can reload them afterwards.

        You mentioned that you saw no toner in the PCU. If the bottle is turning, next thinkg to check is the hopper unit. Take it apart and remove all toner in there (and yes, it's a dirty job)....

        And as far as I know, the AF3030 uses Type 2220D toner.
        or 2320D ??

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        • Counsel
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          #19
          Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

          I would agree about the ground and charge, if your pages look decent but are spotty then there is likely voltage problem causing excess check the contacts, also open the drawers and make sure the metal contact plate is good, once or twice i have seen the grounds in the trays not make contact causing static issues make quality problems. Make sure paper isnt stuck behind a drawer and what not. If your pages are dark with extra toner/developer then i wouldn't be concerned with the toner add issue obviously there is toner in there or your pages would be faded out.

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          • Foo
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            #20
            Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

            Originally posted by Counsel
            I would agree about the ground and charge, if your pages look decent but are spotty then there is likely voltage problem causing excess check the contacts, also open the drawers and make sure the metal contact plate is good, once or twice i have seen the grounds in the trays not make contact causing static issues make quality problems. Make sure paper isnt stuck behind a drawer and what not. If your pages are dark with extra toner/developer then i wouldn't be concerned with the toner add issue obviously there is toner in there or your pages would be faded out.

            Yes I agree with you up to a point. Above someone mentioned that a fresh PCU already has a small amount of toner in the mix. This with the added amount that got dumped in with the toner bottle motor test and I know it's not empty at this moment. In fact remembering back a couple of days...when I installed the new PCU I ran some test copies and they did not have the dev. on them. After running some more it I started realizing I still had issues.

            Headed out to do calls...

            Thanks
            Jeff

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            • TonerMunkeh
              Professional Moron

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              • Apr 2008
              • 3865

              #21
              Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

              Silly question - is new PCU detection enabled?
              It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.

              Hit it.

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              • mikadonovan
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                • May 2008
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                #22
                Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                Originally posted by copyaction
                I didn't see it mentioned but you are running dev initialization after installing a new pcu, right?
                This is important for proper operation.
                NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

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                • Foo
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                  #23
                  Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                  Originally posted by TonerMunkeh
                  Silly question - is new PCU detection enabled?
                  Honestly I don't know (I haven't looked at that SP). But I do know it does some sort of setup routine after I install a new PCU.
                  Then I run a Dev. Ini. 2801 just in case. Every time with a new install.

                  Jeff

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                  • Bantams
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                    #24
                    Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                    Might be worth checking SP2-921 is set to default of sensor control mode 1

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                    • HDSB
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                      #25
                      Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                      I thought these PCU's initialiased themselves when the door was closed so no need to do a dev initialisation? Confirmed by the PCU counter resetting itself automatically.

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                      • Foo
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                        #26
                        Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                        Yeah it absolutely does reset the counter with the install of a new PCU...I did check that.

                        Jeff

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                        • fshead
                          Service Manager

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                          • Jan 2009
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                          #27
                          Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                          hi
                          did you check the erase lamp above drum unit?
                          100k mo.is never going to be an easy run unless it is
                          one of the mp 6001 series copiers..
                          it would be cheaper in the long run too..at 600k a customer got the
                          use they paid for..

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                          • tcs04
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                            • Apr 2009
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                            #28
                            Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                            Seems like you gave a clue in the first post when you said the copies were gritty. That would be dev dumping from the PCU.

                            If you then put a complete 1027 type pcu in it would have dev in so should copy OK (for a while) but (without checking) would need setup via SP2801 as the 3030 does not take the customer fit unit as default so would not have the PCU detect switch fitted. I would then run 10 WHITE copies and check VSP, VSG and TD, BEFORE fitting the toner!

                            (I would NEVER use forced toner on a new unit. In fact, you should REMOVE the toner hopper unit until the PCU is setup and the CQ checked to avoid overtoning).

                            The fact you are seeing no "toner" in the PCU entrance could mean there is no "DEV" in the unit (Supports your "Gritty copy" description). It's possible that in this case the machine may not ask for toner as the TD reading would be close to zero.

                            Have had an issue with the dev drive shaft in the machine (The lower drive to the back of the PCU), it's sprung against it's bushing to push it against the dev unit and if the bushing is dirty / tight, will give poor bias / toner / dev issues. Remove the PCU and check the drive shaft in the machine springs forward after you push it backwards. If it's sticking you will neeed to strip the back out since lubricating the shaft will only provide a temporary solution.

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                            • slimslob
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                              #29
                              Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                              The Type 1027 is recommended by Ricoh for those who don't want to PM the PCU. The only thing is you have to turn on SP 2804 New PCU Check.

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                              • teebee1234
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                                #30
                                Re: Ricoh 3030 with no toner in Type 1027 PCU...

                                My earlier post of the erase lamps is still viable. Have you checked them, as that is an easy diagnosis and fix if they are out.

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