[CQ] Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

[mterrero]

According to Ricoh specifications Both Copiers should print with the same Quality and handlind the Same paper Weight, but in the pratice, my impression is that the MP C2500 Printing Quality Is Better, On some type of papers the Quality is near the same but on heavy papers and Glossy Papers The MP C2500 is Better, I dont know If the speed on the Fuser could be the Problem ?

Check The test attached, this was printed on Glossy Paper ( The test 1 on a MP C2500 ) without any Special Indication and the results is perfect with Bright Colors, But doing the same on a MP C4500 the result is bad ( test 2 and 3 ) it looks like a temperature problem, I do the same on another MP c4500 with the same result, But this happen only on Glossy Paper, for normal paper the Result is perfect on both copiers.


the mpc2500 will handle Cartstock papers with less paper Jam than the MPC4500

Have you notice that ?, Is there Something I can do on the MP C4500 ?

Some Sugestions ????

Thanks

[slimslob]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

When you print to thick paper, the slower the machine the better the transfer to the paper is and the better the fusing. If you have not specified in the driver at the time of printing that the paper is thick, it will use the same settings as for regular paper. If you go to File - Print - Properties and change the paper type setting to either Middle Thick, Thick 1, Thick2, Thick3 or Cardstock and see which onee gives you the best results for each type of paper being used.

[Counsel]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

The MPC test 2 page that is normal 20# or 70 -88 gsm paper should come out in full color normally you have an issue with that machine, its hard to tell by just the image if its a transfer problem or if its a fusing problem. Its probably a fusing issue I believe thats an older style fuser with the belt in it not the new style sleeves. I think a lot of guys started swaping them out with the fuser kits from the spc830 model or something like that basically the same fuser with green handles and a quick wire swap, anyway they last anywhere from 200k to 500k but can go out early, and if I am not mistaken some of those models had PSU problems that caused some fusing issues.

In my opinion the 4500 was a fairly good heavy running machine with decent quality, Its likely the fuser is in need of replacement on that first machine, As for the second 4500 that only smears on the glossy you might just increase the thickness setting to thick 2 instead just because something should work on thick 1 sometimes between the weight and how glossy it is combined require just a little more temp and slower speed to make it good. It could also be a sign the second model is starting to wear out its fuser too.

Im also going to go out on a limb and say from what i see all 3 of those machines need their scanners cleaned and run an ACC from the user tools - maintenance menus both print and copy calibrations.

[mterrero]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

When you print to thick paper, the slower the machine the better the transfer to the paper is and the better the fusing. If you have not specified in the driver at the time of printing that the paper is thick, it will use the same settings as for regular paper. If you go to File - Print - Properties and change the paper type setting to either Middle Thick, Thick 1, Thick2, Thick3 or Cardstock and see which onee gives you the best results for each type of paper being used.

Check the test 3, It was seleccting Thick 1 on the MPC 4500, Result very Bad Quality and Poor Fusing..

[Counsel]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

Slim doesn't the driver really only work on the bypass tray most of my customers the machine is set to machine settings for all trays except the bypass which is usually set to driver command. If the tray is not told in tray settings then a driver command would usually cause a beep and paper mismatch to occur in which if you say do it anyways at the op panel it basically form feeds it doesnt it using the machine settings, thats how are set anyway when we send them out to a customer unless they need it changed for some reason.

[mterrero]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

The MPC test 2 page that is normal 20# or 70 -88 gsm paper should come out in full color normally you have an issue with that machine, its hard to tell by just the image if its a transfer problem or if its a fusing problem. Its probably a fusing issue I believe thats an older style fuser with the belt in it not the new style sleeves. I think a lot of guys started swaping them out with the fuser kits from the spc830 model or something like that basically the same fuser with green handles and a quick wire swap, anyway they last anywhere from 200k to 500k but can go out early, and if I am not mistaken some of those models had PSU problems that caused some fusing issues.

In my opinion the 4500 was a fairly good heavy running machine with decent quality, Its likely the fuser is in need of replacement on that first machine, As for the second 4500 that only smears on the glossy you might just increase the thickness setting to thick 2 instead just because something should work on thick 1 sometimes between the weight and how glossy it is combined require just a little more temp and slower speed to make it good. It could also be a sign the second model is starting to wear out its fuser too.

Im also going to go out on a limb and say from what i see all 3 of those machines need their scanners cleaned and run an ACC from the user tools - maintenance menus both print and copy calibrations.

The 3 test are printed on the same paper ( Glossy ) If you run 2 prints on the MPC4500 ( tested on Diferents machines, diferents fusers, diferents PM levels ) with diferents papers, Only the Glossy will be printed Like Test 2 or 3...
On the MPC2500 the print is ok, no matter I indicate normal or Thick paper..

[Counsel]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

i would say because the paper is glossy adhesion isnt as good, its probably getting by ok on the 2500 because its a slower printing machine even slower then 25 ppm when printing in color, the 4500 feeds and prints faster then the 2500 so its a little more picker on making sure the paper settings are accurate to reduce print speed and fusing temps, my guess would be on the 2500 if you dont change the settings and attempt to run 25 of those in a row by the 5th or 6th one it may start to look crappy because the paper will be absorbing the heat from one to the next.

I would test the both 4500 using the same paper but set your tray setting for Thick 2 paper and see if it looks better and make sure you run 3-4 plain copies through to clean any unfused toner off the fuser before your next attempt.

[bob marley]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

When you print to thick paper, the slower the machine the better the transfer to the paper is and the better the fusing. If you have not specified in the driver at the time of printing that the paper is thick, it will use the same settings as for regular paper. If you go to File - Print - Properties and change the paper type setting to either Middle Thick, Thick 1, Thick2, Thick3 or Cardstock and see which onee gives you the best results for each type of paper being used.

agree with slimslob .

[slimslob]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

Slim doesn't the driver really only work on the bypass tray most of my customers the machine is set to machine settings for all trays except the bypass which is usually set to driver command. If the tray is not told in tray settings then a driver command would usually cause a beep and paper mismatch to occur in which if you say do it anyways at the op panel it basically form feeds it doesnt it using the machine settings, thats how are set anyway when we send them out to a customer unless they need it changed for some reason.

I set all trays to Driver/Command. This avoids any mismatch messages when paper type does not match, such as the driver set for plain paper and the machine set to recycled paper or when an envelope print is sent and the size set at the machine does not exactly match the size set in the software, etc. Also, generally speaking the bypass is usually used for card stock and glossy paper.

[vga_man]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

you must change the paper type setting
if it's a copy: 123/tools key then tray paper settings - paper type in bypass change it to thick 2 or 3
if it's printing operation
from the pc click printer properties - paper type - thick 2 or 3
then look at the result

[TonerMunkeh]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

Or.... stop trying to get a low end office MFP to do the work of a machine ten times the price. No problems with colour matching then, the higher spec machine's colour gamut is far better.

[mterrero]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

Or.... stop trying to get a low end office MFP to do the work of a machine ten times the price. No problems with colour matching then, the higher spec machine's colour gamut is far better.

My sorprise is that the MP C2500 do better job and is a Inexpensive Copier with excelent result compare with the price, you are right a xerox Docucolor 252 will be ten times the price..

[mterrero]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

you must change the paper type setting
if it's a copy: 123/tools key then tray paper settings - paper type in bypass change it to thick 2 or 3
if it's printing operation
from the pc click printer properties - paper type - thick 2 or 3
then look at the result

when Setting the paper type on user tools the result is the same, higher temperature wrost Quality, remember this only happend on Gloss Paper...

[slimslob]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

when Setting the paper type on user tools the result is the same, higher temperature wrost Quality, remember this only happend on Gloss Paper...

I hope you are using glossy paper that is labeled for laser printers. Ink jet glossy paper does not give good results and can damage the fusing unit.

[mterrero]

Re: Ricoh MP C2500 vs MP C4500 Quality on Gloss Paper

I hope you are using glossy paper that is labeled for laser printers. Ink jet glossy paper does not give good results and can damage the fusing unit.

The same Paper used fot both copiers, MPC2500 and MPC4500