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  • miller01123@gmail.com
    Technician
    • Jun 2019
    • 44

    #1

    BP Fusing Units

    Has anyone else had problems with BP Fusing Units Meandering to the front and making noise and or jamming and sometimes shredding or locking up? Also 6-8 comes back OK if it hasn't shredded or locked up.
  • ihatefinishers13
    Senior MFP Technician

    500+ Posts
    • Feb 2020
    • 614

    #2
    Originally posted by miller01123@gmail.com
    Has anyone else had problems with BP Fusing Units Meandering to the front and making noise and or jamming and sometimes shredding or locking up? Also 6-8 comes back OK if it hasn't shredded or locked up.
    Yeah, the BP fusers are over-engineered hot garbage, literally. From factory, we're noticing they're not within spec, so when we set them up in house we check it, when we deliver it it's checked, as well as any service call we go on, we're checking it. It's ridiculous to have to, but they don't last consistently.

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    • driving lots of miles
      Trusted Tech

      250+ Posts
      • Jun 2016
      • 393

      #3

      Originally posted by miller01123@gmail.com
      Has anyone else had problems with BP Fusing Units Meandering to the front and making noise and or jamming and sometimes shredding or locking up? Also 6-8 comes back OK if it hasn't shredded or locked up.
      Yeah, the BP fusers are over-engineered hot garbage, literally. From factory, we're noticing they're not within spec, so when we set them up in house we check it, when we deliver it it's checked, as well as any service call we go on, we're checking it. It's ridiculous to have to, but they don't last consistently.

      Yes I have already rebuilt several of these fusers (even rebuilt one yesterday). And yes when we deliver it it's checked, as well as any service call we go on, we're checking it. I'm hoping they are not going to be the same problem as the Mx-C402 fusers as they were really junk.

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      • ihatefinishers13
        Senior MFP Technician

        500+ Posts
        • Feb 2020
        • 614

        #4
        Originally posted by driving lots of miles
        Originally posted by miller01123@gmail.com
        Has anyone else had problems with BP Fusing Units Meandering to the front and making noise and or jamming and sometimes shredding or locking up? Also 6-8 comes back OK if it hasn't shredded or locked up.
        Yeah, the BP fusers are over-engineered hot garbage, literally. From factory, we're noticing they're not within spec, so when we set them up in house we check it, when we deliver it it's checked, as well as any service call we go on, we're checking it. It's ridiculous to have to, but they don't last consistently.

        Yes I have already rebuilt several of these fusers (even rebuilt one yesterday). And yes when we deliver it it's checked, as well as any service call we go on, we're checking it. I'm hoping they are not going to be the same problem as the Mx-C402 fusers as they were really junk.
        You mean you didn't love popping and clicking noises and lovely L4-16 codes??

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        • JR2ALTA
          Service Manager

          Site Contributor
          1,000+ Posts
          • Feb 2010
          • 2028

          #5
          Sharp color fusers have always been terrible. The BPs run VERY tight - meaning hard to turn. Eventually nothing but jamming, broken gears , noise. Meandering as well.

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          • Steve Tech
            Technician
            • May 2024
            • 30

            #6
            As I understand it, Sharp's guidelines are to only check meandering when the fuser is rebuilt. Its not even advised to do meandering on initial set up now as it should have been done in the factory.

            We've had lots of premature failures aswell, usually around 40 - 60%, but some much earlier.

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            • driving lots of miles
              Trusted Tech

              250+ Posts
              • Jun 2016
              • 393

              #7
              With the BP fusers I have found a way to adjust them without taking it out of the machine by using an extra long screwdriver. it made it a lot easier.

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              • miller01123@gmail.com
                Technician
                • Jun 2019
                • 44

                #8
                Originally posted by driving lots of miles
                With the BP fusers I have found a way to adjust them without taking it out of the machine by using an extra long screwdriver. it made it a lot easier.
                Don't tell sharp, they will tell you you're doing wrong and blame that for the fuser failure.

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                • Imprestik
                  Trusted Tech

                  250+ Posts
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 296

                  #9
                  Are you all doing the meadering process correctly?

                  The fuser must be cold to do the procedure correctly.

                  So once rebuilt, place it in the device, keep the duplex door open and boot up the device.

                  Once booted up enter simulation, go to sim 6-8, close the door and start the meadering process

                  Never had an issue if you do the procedure correctly

                  As stated above, do not touch the fuser during the run up process once the device has been unboxed, it is not required

                  Only to be done once rebuilt

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                  • Steve Tech
                    Technician
                    • May 2024
                    • 30

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Imprestik
                    Are you all doing the meadering process correctly?

                    The fuser must be cold to do the procedure correctly.

                    So once rebuilt, place it in the device, keep the duplex door open and boot up the device.

                    Once booted up enter simulation, go to sim 6-8, close the door and start the meadering process

                    Never had an issue if you do the procedure correctly

                    As stated above, do not touch the fuser during the run up process once the device has been unboxed, it is not required

                    Only to be done once rebuilt
                    We follow the procedure to the letter and have had 10 - 15 early failures.

                    Out of interest, how many do you have and what models (speed). We have around 50 now with an equal split of high and low speed. All of our failures have been on higher speed models (C45 and above) Only one has reached 100% so far.

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                    • ihatefinishers13
                      Senior MFP Technician

                      500+ Posts
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 614

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Imprestik
                      Are you all doing the meadering process correctly?

                      The fuser must be cold to do the procedure correctly.

                      So once rebuilt, place it in the device, keep the duplex door open and boot up the device.

                      Once booted up enter simulation, go to sim 6-8, close the door and start the meadering process

                      Never had an issue if you do the procedure correctly

                      As stated above, do not touch the fuser during the run up process once the device has been unboxed, it is not required

                      Only to be done once rebuilt
                      Weird, because we test them when we get machines in, and out of 50 BP70C55's that we setup for a one customer, EXACTLY HALF were out of spec. Even though we checked and adjusted each one of those 50, we've still had two of those machines(so far) blow up around 20-30k. I feel like we're dealing with the Phoenix/Griffin machines early on where we had to replace pressure rollers constantly because of toner sticking to em.

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                      • Steve Tech
                        Technician
                        • May 2024
                        • 30

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ihatefinishers13

                        Weird, because we test them when we get machines in, and out of 50 BP70C55's that we setup for a one customer, EXACTLY HALF were out of spec. Even though we checked and adjusted each one of those 50, we've still had two of those machines(so far) blow up around 20-30k. I feel like we're dealing with the Phoenix/Griffin machines early on where we had to replace pressure rollers constantly because of toner sticking to em.
                        20 - 30k is very low. Maybe that proves you shouldn't be touching them

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                        • ihatefinishers13
                          Senior MFP Technician

                          500+ Posts
                          • Feb 2020
                          • 614

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steve Tech

                          20 - 30k is very low. Maybe that proves you shouldn't be touching them
                          ....We touch them because we've had so many problems with them in the field otherwise...? That's just the most recent case. We've had numerous other times that we've had to rebuild fusers, and they were nowhere near their maintenance interval. We're obviously not the only dealer having problems with these fusers, regardless of how they're utilized, or maintained.

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                          • Steve Tech
                            Technician
                            • May 2024
                            • 30

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ihatefinishers13

                            ....We touch them because we've had so many problems with them in the field otherwise...? That's just the most recent case. We've had numerous other times that we've had to rebuild fusers, and they were nowhere near their maintenance interval. We're obviously not the only dealer having problems with these fusers, regardless of how they're utilized, or maintained.
                            I know, we've had numerous failures also but not that quick.

                            Just saying it clearly isn't helping, have you mentioned it to your regional technical specialist?

                            I don't think anyone bothers to because ours thinks we are the only dealer still having issues.

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                            • tr210907
                              Technician
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 40

                              #15
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