Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

[gmoore081]

Hello Copytechnet Community

I hope you're all well

I'm looking for some advice. For those of you that use 3rd party toner for the Griffin/Phoenix Range (MX5050/MX6071 etc...). What sort of yields are you seeing before a maintenance is required?

Are the machines lasting their full 300k/500k dev life's? If not, what levels do you see on average before a process unit/dev refurbishment?

This question is particularly for the Phoenix II range - MX6071, are you seeing that you are having to replaced the Dev?
I know that Sharp are saying this should now last the life of the machine when using Genuine Toner

Thanks all for your help in advance, its for a project I'm currently working on where I am

We are looking a Katun toner at present

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

Hello Copytechnet Community

I hope you're all well

I'm looking for some advice. For those of you that use 3rd party toner for the Griffin/Phoenix Range (MX5050/MX6071 etc...). What sort of yields are you seeing before a maintenance is required?

Are the machines lasting their full 300k/500k dev life's? If not, what levels do you see on average before a process unit/dev refurbishment?

This question is particularly for the Phoenix II range - MX6071, are you seeing that you are having to replaced the Dev?
I know that Sharp are saying this should now last the life of the machine when using Genuine Toner

Thanks all for your help in advance, its for a project I'm currently working on where I am

We are looking a Katun toner at present

... if Sharp is saying the Developer is in the toner for the MX6071 why are you even thinking about Katun toner? Why take that risk to save a few bucks?

[chubblies]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

We use reman and often hit the life of the dev, but not without a few visits in between due to toner dusting of the chargers. If they dust up, then the dev can get pulled due to toner dusting up the erase lamps and chargers.
I am unsure how the dev can be the life of the machine though as there is no dev overflow port on the dev unit to allow the excess dev to go to the waste box. Also the 6070 dev does have a life of 300k cmy and 400k black, yet is the same dev and same frame dev unit on the 6071, so not sure how they can say it is lifelong dev without redesigning the dev unit and having dual component toner?
It is the same as the 2651/3071 etc, that is meant to be lifelong dev, but the 2630/3060 isn't.... Weird.

[spanky]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

The developing units are different for the 70 series than the 71 series.

Look at your parts book.

[chubblies]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

The developing units are different for the 70 series than the 71 series.

Look at your parts book.

I know they have different part codes, that is obvious as it is Sharp. But is there a dev overflow system?? Not that I can recall.

[Prints Charming]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

All CR4 and CR4.5 models have Developer Refresh.
A small amount of developer is replenished at the same time as new toner is replenished. Genuine Sharp Toner cartridges have the developer built-in. I recall reading somewhere it was around 8% new developer in the toner cartridge.

The CR4 models originally had MX60 developer, and a life schedule applied to each.
After discovering the new reliability of the Dev Refresh system, the devs were changed to MX61 and a Life of Engine specification was applied to them.
There was a slight change in the toner compound between MX60 and MX61 toners for melt point and differences in Fuser Belts, and this was another reason for the new dev number too.
In reality, they'll all work together very well. I've seen many combinations of MX60/61 devs and toners work perfectly fine. Even MX51 dev replaced when in a bind is perfectly OK, as it adjusts and calibrates well, then new correct dev is slowly fed in and replaced anyway.

The dev units have different part numbers, but they work on the same Dev Refresh system. New toner in equals new developer in as well. All CR4 and CR4.5 dev units have the small developer ejection port at the front to dispose of old developer to the waste toner container.

Best thing to do is use genuine toner as the image quality will be maintained with new dev always coming in, and the units will also be less dusty. This causes contamination of the Procon/Rego sensors, MC Grids etc, and we all know the problems faced there.

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[Hansen88]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

All CR4 and CR4.5 models have Developer Refresh.
A small amount of developer is replenished at the same time as new toner is replenished. Genuine Sharp Toner cartridges have the developer built-in. I recall reading somewhere it was around 8% new developer in the toner cartridge.

The CR4 models originally had MX60 developer, and a life schedule applied to each.
After discovering the new reliability of the Dev Refresh system, the devs were changed to MX61 and a Life of Engine specification was applied to them.
There was a slight change in the toner compound between MX60 and MX61 toners for melt point and differences in Fuser Belts, and this was another reason for the new dev number too.
In reality, they'll all work together very well. I've seen many combinations of MX60/61 devs and toners work perfectly fine. Even MX51 dev replaced when in a bind is perfectly OK, as it adjusts and calibrates well, then new correct dev is slowly fed in and replaced anyway.

The dev units have different part numbers, but they work on the same Dev Refresh system. New toner in equals new developer in as well. All CR4 and CR4.5 dev units have the small developer ejection port at the front to dispose of old developer to the waste toner container.

Best thing to do is use genuine toner as the image quality will be maintained with new dev always coming in, and the units will also be less dusty. This causes contamination of the Procon/Rego sensors, MC Grids etc, and we all know the problems faced there.

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So the 70 series machines should be lifetime developer too then. The only thing is the developer maintanence counters and resetting them with the 25-2. Any way around that?

[Prints Charming]

Re: Non OEM/3rd Party Toner - Griffin/Phoenix Range

So the 70 series machines should be lifetime developer too then. The only thing is the developer maintanence counters and resetting them with the 25-2. Any way around that?

'Should' is the key word there.
The counters for dev life can't be individually extended or altered (maintenance counts can in sim 21) on the 60/70 series. Just reset the dev counter when due. No need for 25-02 unless you actually replace the dev with new.