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  • ihatefinishers13
    Senior MFP Technician

    250+ Posts
    • Feb 2020
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    70/71 series Developer problems

    Alright folks, I've about had it with developer pull issues. The 50/70 and 51/71 series has been wreaking havoc on our tech's.

    Mostly black, but occasionally color DV keeps getting pulled. It used to be that the process units were the culprit due to the mylar under the blade... then it was the MC PWB that would fix it... now it's the DV units that sometimes fix it, but also ends up being the process unit AGAIN.

    We replace the DV because of Zebra Striping (DV is pulled), so we wait until it comes back as we've had it be a fluke sometimes. Most other times though, we have to replace the DV unit AND the process unit because if we do one, the other ends up also being the problem not long after.

    Anyone else have DV pull issues everywhere?

    The only other time in my 8.5 years that we had this kind of issue, it was the waste boxes causing it on the 4141 series.
  • JLSam
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • Jun 2015
    • 602

    #2
    Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

    Originally posted by ihatefinishers13
    Alright folks, I've about had it with developer pull issues. The 50/70 and 51/71 series has been wreaking havoc on our tech's.

    Mostly black, but occasionally color DV keeps getting pulled. It used to be that the process units were the culprit due to the mylar under the blade... then it was the MC PWB that would fix it... now it's the DV units that sometimes fix it, but also ends up being the process unit AGAIN.

    We replace the DV because of Zebra Striping (DV is pulled), so we wait until it comes back as we've had it be a fluke sometimes. Most other times though, we have to replace the DV unit AND the process unit because if we do one, the other ends up also being the problem not long after.

    Anyone else have DV pull issues everywhere?

    The only other time in my 8.5 years that we had this kind of issue, it was the waste boxes causing it on the 4141 series.
    My guy... I've been fighting those Phoenix DV pulls for years. *CRIES*

    I just replaced a process unit YESTERDAY for one of my clients MX6070.

    Although I haven't experienced these issues with the Phoenix2 boxes. :\

    If someone knows the answer, I would love to have it.

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    • copiertec
      Service Manager

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      • Jan 2016
      • 2175

      #3
      Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

      We have, knock on wood, only had this happen to us a couple of times and it was because of the charge grid shorting out, not one of our MK kits have made it anywhere close to PM all have the classic Sharp crappy charge grids. We had it happen on an MX5071, yellow developer pull due to charge grid shorting and the other was an MX-4070v, Bk developer pull due to charge grid shorting.

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      • JR2ALTA
        Service Manager

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        • Feb 2010
        • 2017

        #4
        Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

        A dirty erase lamp LED will cause this everyday. But yes, it's known to happen no matter what.

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        • SalesServiceGuy
          Field Supervisor

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          • Dec 2009
          • 7902

          #5
          Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

          Is the same happening on the new BP series of copiers?

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          • ihatefinishers13
            Senior MFP Technician

            250+ Posts
            • Feb 2020
            • 475

            #6
            Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            Is the same happening on the new BP series of copiers?
            No, nothing on the BP series yet... just the ADF front paper guide... cheaply made.

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            • JR2ALTA
              Service Manager

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              • Feb 2010
              • 2017

              #7
              Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

              Originally posted by JR2ALTA
              A dirty erase lamp LED will cause this everyday. But yes, it's known to happen no matter what.
              In case you don't know, It's mounted on the machine so changing the process unit doesn't matter.

              edit for typo/confusion
              Last edited by JR2ALTA; 09-30-2023, 10:10 PM.

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              • leo34staffs
                copierman

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                500+ Posts
                • Aug 2007
                • 500

                #8
                Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                Is the same happening on the new BP series of copiers?
                BP Series have a charge roller and not the grid system like previous sharps, so I am optimistic about BP Range.
                Networking skills are advantageous but use of a 3m vacuum cleaner is essential

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                • Imprestik
                  Trusted Tech

                  250+ Posts
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 291

                  #9
                  Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                  Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                  Is the same happening on the new BP series of copiers?
                  No coronas on the BP series, now charge rollers so I doubt it will happen. In saying that I have a BP70C65 which has done almost 1.2million in a year and I haven't had it happen....

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                  • chatkal
                    Technician
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 46

                    #10
                    Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                    I had problems like the one described, but in all cases problems caused by toner. Bk toner boxes had hardened, rock like pieces inside that went down to DV units. In all cases I had to replace developer and completely clean DV unit and hopper units.
                    Never color, only Bk toner.

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                    • bilyahn
                      Service Manager

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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 1455

                      #11
                      Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                      Originally posted by chatkal
                      I had problems like the one described, but in all cases problems caused by toner. Bk toner boxes had hardened, rock like pieces inside that went down to DV units. In all cases I had to replace developer and completely clean DV unit and hopper units.
                      Never color, only Bk toner.
                      I used to carry a Mr. Coffee coffee strainer we had such of problem with this. LOL Take the DV material out and strain it. Vacuum the DV unit really well and you were good for awhile. But hasn't happened in years now.

                      Good luck

                      Bil

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                      • ihatefinishers13
                        Senior MFP Technician

                        250+ Posts
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 475

                        #12
                        Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                        Originally posted by bilyahn
                        I used to carry a Mr. Coffee coffee strainer we had such of problem with this. LOL Take the DV material out and strain it. Vacuum the DV unit really well and you were good for awhile. But hasn't happened in years now.

                        Good luck

                        Bil
                        What company were you getting your toner from?

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                        • bilyahn
                          Service Manager

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                          • Dec 2006
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                          #13
                          Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                          Originally posted by ihatefinishers13
                          What company were you getting your toner from?
                          OEM Sharp toners. Used to drive us crazy! Seemed to mostly affect the black as mentioned before but I have seen the colors do it also.

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                          • JLSam
                            Senior Tech

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                            • Jun 2015
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                            #14
                            Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                            Originally posted by Funstem
                            Originally posted by bilyahn
                            OEM Sharp toners. Used to drive us crazy! Seemed to mostly affect the black as mentioned before but I have seen the colors do it also.
                            Yeah, they were my favorite, they were the only ones taken. Which model did you use?
                            Bots are getting smarter.

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                            • fireater
                              Repair God? not quite

                              250+ Posts
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 253

                              #15
                              Re: 70/71 series Developer problems

                              have you seen the bulletin for the new dev units? the dev spillway hole is larger and makes the dev amount less likely or over fill / over tone. perhaps this is an issue? then charger arcs and it pulls all the dev.
                              CCE-2027R... crap only applies to 50 and 60 ppm copiers
                              I fix copiers ...Well Sorta

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