[Jamming] Questions on Sim 23

[gwaddle]

I only recently discovered the value of sim 23. 23-2 is useful mostly so you can tell the customer who complains about constant jams, Hey Bozo you only had 3 jams in the last 80,000 copies. Well maybe not in those words, but you get the drift.

Then I saw 23-80. I haven't seen this one discussed here. This looks like it would be helpful info if I could decipher it correctly. However, my feeble mechanics brain can't quite get there. Does anyone use this sim and is it as helpful as it looks? Any info on how to use it would be helpful. I've spent countless hours finding jamming causes, and I think this sim could cut that down considerably. Thanks

[DavePo]

I agree I have never really looked into it until your post. Looked at description and agree it could be a big help. If it can be decifered into non engineer speak.

[android790]

I have never used this, maybe wazza has. My best guess is timing from one sensor to another to determine motor/clutch/roller malfunction but not failure. I will monitor this sim and see what value it has in the field for what I do.I will post updates

[OMD-227]

I actually have. I have previously been asked many times to get these reports so they can be sent back to H.O. & Japan, when we start seeing problems repeating on machines.

If you print both reports in 23-02 & 23-80 before you start work on the machine, then fully service it (including cleaning all vertical transport rollers from each tray), run a few pages, then re-print those reports. You will see a big difference in the timing that each sensor is activated for.

For example, we get alot of jams on the C-Jupiter 2's, caused by stained/contaminated transport rollers & sensors (cheap, shitty paper mostly). Before servicing the machine, the reports state that the vertical reflection sensors are activated for around 450ms, then after service, and running a few pages through, the report states the same sensors were only on for 80ms. This shows that the paper timing is increased with cleaning the dirty transport rollers & sensors. Its information like this that leads to firmware revisions that include extra timing allocations on the transport sensors to allow for paper mis-timing & slipping.

Check it out. Print the report, clean the rollers, run about 20 pages through from each tray, re-print the report.

[OMD-227]

Hey Bozo you only had 3 jams in the last 80,000 copies. Well maybe not in those words, but you get the drift.

I cant see anything wrong with that....... I think you're being too kind in fact!

[android790]

I am a big fan of 23-80 now. I have been printing these reports on everything I have seen. It was a big help on an old dragon. The new stuff, not so much, but I now see the value of it.

[bdcrandall13]

Very good idea to print it before servicing. This could help lead to a sell of some decent paper!