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  • DINGO
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • Nov 2007
    • 661

    #1

    ar-m451n restart?

    headache

    ar-m451n, give jam paper error and after taking out the jammed paper, the copier restarts and lose all the work?

    appreciate any help, if possible
  • OMD-227

    #2
    Dingo,

    Check the TC spring is in place correctly. PG section 3, item 18. Same for both Tiger & Jupiter series.

    The problem of restarting during a jam condition, blank pages, jamming in general and trouble code E7-90, are all associated with that spring not located correctly or missing. There is a static buildup (no ground) on the PS paper guide A.

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    • DINGO
      Senior Tech

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      • Nov 2007
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      #3
      Wazza thanks, I'll check again.

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      • DINGO
        Senior Tech

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        • Nov 2007
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        #4
        I'm out of luck, i chek all, and the copier gives me, E7-90, same paper jams, and continues restart.

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        • OMD-227

          #5
          If you're sure the TC spring is intact in the PS unit, check the grounding of the machine.

          Your trouble code, jam conditions & restarting is always associated with that spring. Its gotta be mate!

          maybe even try another PS unit.

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          • DINGO
            Senior Tech

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            • Nov 2007
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            #6
            I suspect a bad ground at the office, but I'm confused because I have more ar-m450n in the same office and no codes.??
            i will see, thanks

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            • DINGO
              Senior Tech

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              #7
              No luck, I tried everything, and the problem persists.
              paper jam, and after the copier restart and loses all work.

              well.........

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              • OMD-227

                #8
                Have you replaced the PS unit?

                Everything I've ever seen or known regarding this issue was always to do with the PS Unit & spring.

                Just throwing ideas into the ring now.......
                Move the machine to a different location/power lead in the room.
                Make sure firmware is up-to-date.
                Replace/Format the HDD.


                Or.....

                PCU flashrom is corrupt. Replace it.
                This one is a long shot, but there are mentions of it regarding other E7-90 problems. Doubt they are related, but I have seen MX color machines throw up 'Main Program Error' messages & restarts every few weeks, eventually traced fault to PCU flashrom as well.

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                • DINGO
                  Senior Tech

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                  • Nov 2007
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                  #9
                  wazza,
                  I already did the following:
                  ps roller unit checked careful, not changed, hdd was formatted, firmware was up-to-date, and changed the power lead to.

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                  • igi
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1507

                    #10
                    hi i had few copiers with similar problem
                    it was the heater unit
                    ta

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                    • DINGO
                      Senior Tech

                      500+ Posts
                      • Nov 2007
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                      #11
                      friend, can you specify better what the problem in the heater unit?
                      thanks

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                      • igi
                        Service Manager

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1507

                        #12
                        hi
                        it was faulty termistor or termistat one of them the quikest will be just to swop the units to verify
                        tanx

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                        • divad2k1
                          Trusted Tech

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                          • Sep 2010
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                          #13
                          Is your copier on a network ? If so, try to unplug network cable.

                          Had a couple of machine giving me weird problem like copier rebooting, hanging up, trouble code E7-xx.... and the problem was coming from the network( blowned up switch, garbage etc)

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                          • DINGO
                            Senior Tech

                            500+ Posts
                            • Nov 2007
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                            #14
                            hi,finally solved the problem.
                            after having tried everything, and have replaced the PS roller unit, hdd format and change, take away fn6, and so, i again insist on the opinion of wazza, and traded unit back for a third ps roller unit, and the problem was solved. wazza, you were right, thanks friend, and thanks to everyone who tried to help.

                            post here the solution for serving the other members too.

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