Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

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  • patterson70
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    Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

    I am the same guy doing a PM soon on the Sharp MX-2700N and had also ordered a Primary Transfer Unit for it and decided to inspect it before going out to the customer. I see it is not coated per the instructions in the service manual. Can I coat it with toner from the customers toners in their machine when I get there? I don't have the white power and it is not in the box from P.R. Thank you in advance again! (and than you all for the previous answers)
  • MHeon71
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    I have. I don't carry the starting powder.

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    • blackcat4866
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      Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

      Sharp has changed their opinion on starting powders a couple of times of times over years. Titanium Hydroxide and something-something Stearate are the ones I have on hand. My advice is to get yourself some starting powder. In a pinch I've used yellow toner, but it's just not as good.

      Sharp transfer belts do not come adequately powdered and you shouldn't count on it coming in a powdered condition. Also you must powder the entire surface of the belt, and rotate it through several rotations to make sure the blade won't wrap or stall the belt drive. =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • patterson70
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        Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

        Thank you very much for the advice. I will try to get my hands on some or borrow some yellow toner out of the customer's bottle.

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        • WilliamTucker
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          Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

          zinc steartate is for selenium drums
          kynar is for opc drums due to it being thinner
          methuselah is supposedly the best and lubricates for a long time.

          Precision roller sells this stuff at a decent price.

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          • ZOOTECH
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            Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

            methuselah is supposedly the best
            price.[/QUOTE] Don't the snakes get in the way?
            "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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            • Nachoman4life
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              Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

              I bet if your unit was ordered through SHARP it probably would have been powdered. How ever you got it through PR which is a 3rd party remanufacure.
              I'd take a good look inside the belt unit to check if it was cleaned well, any debris stuck to the cleaning unit roller or the inside of the belt will give you a call back for "staple marks"
              Where the heck is my spring hook?

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              • patterson70
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                Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                Appreciate the additional advice. I have to apologize though, it appeared the belt had nothing on it when I looked at it initially, it was clean - but as it turns out when I got ready to apply the powder, I rotated the belt and saw that indeed it was powdered on the newly exposed belt. So I installed it as it was and it works just fine. Per one tech's advice, I did not install a secondary belt (machine has 275K), as it was advised these go much further than the suggested 200K.

                New Question: During the interim of getting the back-ordered parts, the customer now is having a repeating of images in magenta (same image in black is fine), so on the page the graphic image is in full color but then it is repeated several times going up the page in magenta only. Can I assume that the magenta drum is now in need of replacement at 45K? I am thinkning the blade is failing and keeping the image on the drum. I know all three colors must be replaced at the same time if so.

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                • ZOOTECH
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                  Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                  Originally posted by patterson70
                  New Question: During the interim of getting the back-ordered parts, the customer now is having a repeating of images in magenta (same image in black is fine), so on the page the graphic image is in full color but then it is repeated several times going up the page in magenta only. Can I assume that the magenta drum is now in need of replacement at 45K? I am thinkning the blade is failing and keeping the image on the drum. I know all three colors must be replaced at the same time if so.
                  Rotate drums and see if problem stays with the original magenta drum to isolate problem.
                  "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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                  • patterson70
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                    Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                    Thank you for that advice, however the customer is long way from me and I wouold like to be able to order the drums ahead of time and install on the same visit. Could you tell me if it is not the drum what else it could be? The the color image is repeated continuously but only in magenta, so it should not be the primamry transfer belt should it? (I did not replace the secondary belt). If it is something else possibly I could bring that part with me also. Thanks in advance!

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                    • ZOOTECH
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                      Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                      Originally posted by patterson70
                      Thank you for that advice, however the customer is long way from me and I wouold like to be able to order the drums ahead of time and install on the same visit. Could you tell me if it is not the drum what else it could be? The the color image is repeated continuously but only in magenta, so it should not be the primamry transfer belt should it? (I did not replace the secondary belt). If it is something else possibly I could bring that part with me also. Thanks in advance!
                      What is the distance of the repeating image? That would then indicate where the problem might be. Have you ran TC 64-1 pattern 11 on ledger? This will show a lot for all colors.
                      If the customer is a long distance you want to take everything possible.
                      "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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                      • patterson70
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                        Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                        Thank you for your question. The image repeats every 3 3/4 (3.75) inches. It is only repeated once and then the next image is repeated (only in magenta). So I am thinking the blade is not cleaning the drum for one revolution. Could you tell me if that the circumference of the drum?

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                        • blackcat4866
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                          Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                          Sounds like a magenta drum to me. =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                          • patterson70
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                            Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                            Thank you, I appeciate your confirmation of that.

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                            • Akitu
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                              Re: Sharp MX-2700N New Transfer Belt does not have powder on it

                              To answer your original question, I myself have used waste toner in a pinch when a belt needed to start and I did not have the titanium hydroxide. As already confirmed by Blackcat, it would appear that your magenta drum is in need of some attention. I would recommend rebuilding it yourself if possible, just to confirm that it's been done properly.

                              Never know what's up with the 3rd party rebuilds, can't guarantee quality.
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