Toshiba 4511 with finisher jams

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  • TTL
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Dec 2008
    • 127

    #1

    Toshiba 4511 with finisher jams

    In one Toshiba with multi-staple finisher, jams always when she makes duplex in color mode, or automatic, if the originals have color.
    Jams always in the entrance of the KN. but only if it's in color mode. If it in black she works fine.
    We change the KN, and test all sensors and nothings wrong.
    Someone have some idea? It's only in duplex in color mode, after the paper come out and re-enter to make the back the KN never low the tab for the paper enter in the KN to the finisher.
    sorry the English but this today isn't good....
  • copytechman
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    500+ Posts
    • Nov 2008
    • 929

    #2
    Sounds kinda like a funky firmware issue to me.. paper path for colour or b/w is the same in those machines... its timing is different however... b/w timing is actually tighter due to it's speed... I'd reflash the machine, especially if u've rep'd the kn unit already!

    Regards!
    A.

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    • TTL
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      • Dec 2008
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      #3
      no.. it's not a firmware problem.
      I would go to power supply..
      but I go try first another things, like the logic board.

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      • Mr Spock
        Vulcan Inventor of Death

        1,000+ Posts
        • Aug 2006
        • 2064

        #4
        Replace the exit switch in the fuser and the actuator. If it still does it then replace the solenoid on the front of the kn unit. Also which kn unit and did it always do this? What is the error code?
        And Star Trek was just a tv show...yeah right!

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        • Guest

          #5
          Has this machine had the rear drive gear/belt mod done as this can cause some weird things?

          Could be bridge sensors causing the problem (take the springs off the sensors or replace both).

          Whats the jam codes?

          Take the finisher off and test it as I dont think this is a finisher prob.
          This is not a firmware prob.

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          • emujo
            Field Supervisor

            2,500+ Posts
            • Jun 2009
            • 3009

            #6
            I would go down a different path since it only jams on color..the only difference is the amount/kind of toner on the paper. To me it sound like a fuser issue. Is OEM toner being used? I would PM the fuser section and see if jamming inproves. Gummed cleaning rollers cause big headaches in the fuser section. Ed
            If you don't see your question answered in the forum, please don't think it's OK to PM me for a personal reply...I do not give out firmware and/or manuals.

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            • TTL
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              • Dec 2008
              • 127

              #7
              The error code is E910.
              If I take off the finisher, copier work fine. This only give that error when is color with duplex and with the finisher on.
              Is not the fuser, because I change the fuser for one new from another machine and the problem continues.
              And almost of sensors and switches were tested in 03 mode, and all are working fine.
              I go try some of your ideas.
              Thanks

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              • Mr Spock
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                • Aug 2006
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                #8
                Replace the bridge sensors and check the reverse/exit motor.
                And Star Trek was just a tv show...yeah right!

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Has the drive mod been done?
                  Replce the bridge sensors

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                  • TTL
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 127

                    #10
                    6LA95427000), don't fall in time to the paper enter in the bridge. but only in color mode, in black work fine. and he is working, but is less than 1 second late.

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                    • ToshibaTech
                      Senior Tech

                      500+ Posts
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 580

                      #11
                      Have you reloaded firmware? What does the machine do when the finisher is unplugged in duplex/color? What about autocolor with second side black, first side color or vice versa?
                      I will not give you service manuals or firmware.

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                      • Mr Spock
                        Vulcan Inventor of Death

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                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2064

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TTL
                        6LA95427000), don't fall in time to the paper enter in the bridge. but only in color mode, in black work fine. and he is working, but is less than 1 second late.
                        This is triggered by the fuser sensor. It could either be the sensor the harness or a sticking solenoid. The code is the first bridge sensor error. It could also be caused by the exit/reverse motor. The press on gear comes loose and will slip when going from reverse to forward and vice-versa. This will cause a delay in transport which trips the code as well.
                        And Star Trek was just a tv show...yeah right!

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                        • gerryhuerta
                          AccService
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 198

                          #13
                          Toshiba 4511

                          I have the same problem on the same machine. Papper Jams leaving from cassette>. I have tried replacing the bridges and fuser to no avail. Let me know what you did to figure it out...

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