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  • positiveg
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    Toner not sticking to label paper

    So we ran some labels on Saturday.
    The client sent us these photos when placing labels on bottle.
    The black especially is where the issue is.
    Please see photos.
    We used 257-300 gsm to run the prints.
    It's a Xerox C75


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  • Gaffers01
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    #2
    Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

    Make sure you have set the machine to the correct weight of paper (increases heat in fusing section to stick toner to paper)
    and make sure the paper is correct paper for digital printing.

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    • Phil B.
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      #3
      Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

      Originally posted by positiveg
      So we ran some labels on Saturday.
      The client sent us these photos when placing labels on bottle.
      The black especially is where the issue is.
      Please see photos.
      We used 257-300 gsm to run the prints.
      It's a Xerox C75


      Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

      genuine OEM Xerox toner?

      not crap 3rd party?

      is the media glossy?

      is it approved for use in this unit?

      what brand of labels are they using?

      what thick setting is the machine set for?

      what is the page counts on the fuser?

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      • Sn0wlink
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        #4
        Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

        Most problems problems like this are stock profile related.
        I'm not familiar with this exact model, but try to setup a custom paper profile in the onscreen settings (usually under the tools tab) and change the 'Toner Transfer' settings for the custom stock.
        Try printing a sample page, and select the most solid colour swatch from the list.
        Hope this helps
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        • Jettdog
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          • May 2021
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          #5
          Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

          If I remember correctly, some older Xerox models had "Special" as a paper type you could switch to when having these problems. I googled a C75 users manual and it didn't mention Special as a paper type. I suggest you play around with different paper type settings. Maybe Heavy or Transparency.

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          • 40yearsplus
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            #6
            Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

            I have seen a few people try this use of labels. The toner rubs off the glossy paper being held and rubbed.

            If you get lucky and get a non glossy label, also if fluid in the bottles? That would be a factor also.

            The last 2 cures are put a clear laminate sheet over the labels, the best cure is, Let the Printer make them at the Print shop on the Press with rubber based ink.

            Let us know anyway how you made out. Thanks

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            • positiveg
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              #7
              Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

              Originally posted by 40yearsplus
              I have seen a few people try this use of labels. The toner rubs off the glossy paper being held and rubbed.

              If you get lucky and get a non glossy label, also if fluid in the bottles? That would be a factor also.

              The last 2 cures are put a clear laminate sheet over the labels, the best cure is, Let the Printer make them at the Print shop on the Press with rubber based ink.

              Let us know anyway how you made out. Thanks
              Thanks will let you know
              I think the bottles are filled first not sure it varies.
              We using the xerox C75 to run on vinyl label paper.

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              • blackcat4866
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                #8
                Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                Originally posted by positiveg
                Thanks will let you know
                I think the bottles are filled first not sure it varies.
                We using the xerox C75 to run on vinyl label paper.
                I doubt very much that vinyl media is an approved media. Isn't it a contradiction in terms: vinyl label paper?
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                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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                • BillyCarpenter
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                  #9
                  Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                  Originally posted by blackcat4866
                  I doubt very much that vinyl media is an approved media. Isn't it a contradiction in terms: vinyl label paper?

                  I'm not a big fan of using toner based printers for labels unless it's plain paper. I use an ink based label printer (uses labels on a roll) here in our office for printing on vinyl labels.
                  Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                  • azehnali
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                    #10
                    Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                    you can print hundreds of thousands of vinyl stickers on the versant model

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                    • chubblies
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                      #11
                      Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                      There is a heavyweight fuser available for this machine (>220GM), it might be worth getting one to try

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                      • positiveg
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                        #12
                        Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                        Originally posted by chubblies
                        There is a heavyweight fuser available for this machine (>220GM), it might be worth getting one to try
                        Do you know how I can get my hand on it?

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                        • chubblies
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                          Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                          Originally posted by positiveg
                          Do you know how I can get my hand on it?
                          Just order one in from wherever you order your spares or have a google for online suppliers. PN 126K28360 is the 220V UK version so you may need to check voltage depending on where you are based.

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                          • positiveg
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                            #14
                            Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                            Originally posted by chubblies
                            Just order one in from wherever you order your spares or have a google for online suppliers. PN 126K28360 is the 220V UK version so you may need to check voltage depending on where you are based.
                            thanks
                            yeah I use 220V here
                            I'm located in St. Kitts West Indies.

                            thanks I'll search for that unit too

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                            • positiveg
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                              #15
                              Re: Toner not sticking to label paper

                              Originally posted by chubblies
                              Just order one in from wherever you order your spares or have a google for online suppliers. PN <font color="#282828"><span style="font-family: Lato">126K28360 is the 220V UK version so you may need to check voltage depending on where you are based.</span></font>
                              <br>
                              thanks<br>yeah I use 220V here<br>I'm located in St. Kitts West Indies.&nbsp;<br><br>thanks I'll search for that unit too&nbsp;<br><br>

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