Question: about TONER Xerox 5790 --> DC12

[JimmyB]

hi there,

can i use toner from Xerox 5790 with Xerox DC12? Are they compatible?

thanks

[Caffeine]

hi there,

can i use toner from Xerox 5790 with Xerox DC12? Are they compatible?

thanks

I'm not sure if you are asking if they are the "same" toner, or if, despite being different, they can be used anyway. I'll answer both questions...

They are very different toners. (That answer is easy.)

Doesn't necessarily mean it won't work, but I'd bet a Snickers that it won't work for very long, even if it did work a little bit.

With color machines, you don't want to play unless you know they are EXACTLY the same toner. For example, the DC12 and the DC2045/2060/5000/5252/6060/7000/8000 are all the same toner. So that would be a better way to save money since a set of toners for one of those machines may cost more, but contain a LOT more material.

Just make sure you shake the toner well before you put it in your DC12 cartridges to make sure the toner and mixed-in developer are evenly distributed.

But I would strongly recommend against even giving 5790 toner a go... Unless someone knows otherwise, I believe the particle size on that ancient 5790 toner is much larger than the DC12 toner, the developer particle size may be bigger too which could cause abrasion on the drum surface.

Also, this doesn't even touch the topic of whether or not the "colors" of the toner are compatible with the DC12. Remember that these machines do a lot of color balance math based on what they have to assume is a "known baseline" which is their authentic toner. When you throw in a different toner, things can get wonky due to the toner not matching the known baseline and therefore throwing off all the calculations the machine tries to do to keep the machine in balance.

For example, say the 5790 magenta was naturally less deep red compared to the DC12 magenta. The ADC sensor could see this and detect that magenta toner is low and try to feed more in, but it isn't actually low its just "different" and the developer assembly could then be flooded with excess toner. The 5790 itself would be expecting its own toner to be this way and therefore would utilize it correctly, but the DC12 would be thrown off.

Lastly, just to make this explanation even LONGER... (!) The toners, being very different, could cause the ATC sensor fits. The ATC sensor uses an electrical charge to roughly measure the amount of toner in the developer assembly. Being a different toner, it may not have the same electrical characteristics and therefore could confuse the ATC sensor, making it think the developer assembly is empty or full incorrectly. Again, possibly causing either toner flooding or toner starvation.

[JimmyB]

Caffeine, thanks, for your EXHAUSTIVE answer

[Caffeine]

Caffeine, thanks, for your EXHAUSTIVE answer

I do tend to go on...

[mrvica]

I try it in opposite way toner from dc12 in xerox 5790 and work fine for me

[Caffeine]

I try it in opposite way toner from dc12 in xerox 5790 and work fine for me

In this case I would guess you might actually see the DC12 toner working better than the original. The only thing you might want to keep an eye out for, though, is dust building up inside the machine. The DC12 toner is so much finer than the 5790 toner that it might dust up inside the machine and cause problems sooner than the 5790 toner itself would.

And of course, color balance is always something to keep your eyes on when playing with toners as I explained.

[hachetman]

I try it in opposite way toner from dc12 in xerox 5790 and work fine for me

It might for a little while,, You will more than likey rebuild the fuser assy because mother X wants you to buy new toner for every brand of copier they manufacture, the toner fuses at different temps good luck!!

[mrvica]

It might for a little while,, You will more than likey rebuild the fuser assy because mother X wants you to buy new toner for every brand of copier they manufacture, the toner fuses at different temps good luck!!

I spend about 6 set of toners. For now only problem is litle darker copy with dc12 toner.

[XeroxTechBrazil]

Bulk Toners OK??

How about the bulk toner sold on US EBAY site for the DocuColor machines? This is sold from Australia, originates (according to the auction page) in Japan.

Price is right, but does it work? Has anyone tried it? Xerox 2045 toner has been harder to get and price is rising steadily. The DocuSP controller is breathing new life into these machines.

[davidj7]

I havent touched any other toner than Genuine Xerox. Some have tried compatable toner on DC12 but has issues with Magenta .