Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

I had DC5000 that I putted. 3 different developing units loaded respectively with different developer/toner mix.
And there were: black unit from 700DCP, cyan and yellow unit from DC5000 and magenta from DC250.
All of them are still working fine 50 000 prints.
Cheers.

Doesn't mean they're the same. That they are very different is a basic fact and there is no need for discussion on that point.

However regarding your example, neither the 700DCP toner (EA-Eco) nor the DC250 toner (EA-HG) require any oil in the fuser. The DC5000 has oil, but it doesn't matter, they don't NEED it, so they can work anyway. (Who knows about long term, though.)

But if you go the OTHER direction, which is what this discussion thread is about, and put a DC5000 toner, which requires oil, into a 700DCP or DC250 or WC75xx, which have NO oil, you will have a horrible mess to clean.

[bojans]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

Nice explanations Caffeine

I've just googled this>

EA-HG Toner Fuji Xerox

EA-Eco Clear Toner Technology Fuji Xerox

[kalindd]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

Doesn't mean they're the same. That they are very different is a basic fact and there is no need for discussion on that point.

However regarding your example, neither the 700DCP toner (EA-Eco) nor the DC250 toner (EA-HG) require any oil in the fuser. The DC5000 has oil, but it doesn't matter, they don't NEED it, so they can work anyway. (Who knows about long term, though.)

But if you go the OTHER direction, which is what this discussion thread is about, and put a DC5000 toner, which requires oil, into a 700DCP or DC250 or WC75xx, which have NO oil, you will have a horrible mess to clean.

I'm not saying that they are the same. I just shared my experience

[Caffeine]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

I'm not saying that they are the same. I just shared my experience

Cool. Your experience is really interesting actually... I've never thought of using the 250 or 700 toner in a 5000. Usually people want to go the other way around, since often it is possible to find the 5000 toner (or 2045/2060/8000) cheaper. Do you still use the oil in the 5000 as usual?

[kalindd]

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Do you still use the oil in the 5000 as usual?

Yes of course. I don't think these models will run without oil, the fuser roll with last maybe no more than 20 prints.
Actually I did this on customer that was complaining from banding in all colors. I changed the dev. drive assy, but problem did not disappear. So I had no any new dev unit , the only option was to try this .
Customer loved the result.( actually he did not knew the these are filled with different developers)
The critical in these cases is the dev. gap space. It is different for all three models.
So after adjusting those the print looked really nice.

[GusG]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

Actually, 1632/2240/3535 and M24 are EA toner, and are not the same as the C2128/7335 & DC250, which are EA-HG. But they are close enough that the only difference you will see is a very slight difference in the amount of gloss, and a very small amount of color balance variation.

Going further down the line (as from trying to use 5000 toner in a DC250) I regularly use DC250 toner in my DC3535 as it's almost half the price. As Caffeine says, it presents no problems whatsoever, a little bit more gloss but if the colour balance is off I can't see it.

[Caffeine]

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Going further down the line (as from trying to use 5000 toner in a DC250) I regularly use DC250 toner in my DC3535 as it's almost half the price. As Caffeine says, it presents no problems whatsoever, a little bit more gloss but if the colour balance is off I can't see it.

It is minimal, but can be a problem for graphic designers. It shows up mainly in magenta. The newer EA (EA-HG) magenta is slightly stronger than the original (3535) EA magenta. It means some things might have a very slight pink cast to them if you use the new stuff in an older machine. Depending on your front end and calibration persistence, though, you may not really see it at all as it is within the range of what you can 'correct' for with most of the calibration functions of the fronts ends. It is a slightly bigger concern for the machines with more limited calibration functions.

[GusG]

Re: Xerox Docucolor 250 and 5000 Toner

you may not really see it at all as it is within the range of what you can 'correct' for with most of the calibration functions of the fronts ends. It is a slightly bigger concern for the machines with more limited calibration functions.

I guess that explains why I can't see any problem, we calibrate regularly and at least once a day

[davidj7]

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Gus: Whats your front end on the DC3535 and what densitomter do you use to calibrate.

[GusG]

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Gus: Whats your front end on the DC3535 and what densitomter do you use to calibrate.

Currently I'm using a built in Fiery and calibrating with an Xrite DTP32. Prints are generally a bit dark (also with original toner) but I usually send at 90 or 95% brightness.

[davidj7]

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I am planning to substitute my DC3535 with DC250 toner. So checking with you .
Thanks Gus

[Scarecrow]

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Gus: Whats your front end on the DC3535 and what densitomter do you use to calibrate.

Where does the 1632 toner fit in here?

[GusG]

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Where does the 1632 toner fit in here?

1632 toner is exactly the same as 3535 toner, same part number too I think.

[Caffeine]

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1632 toner is exactly the same as 3535 toner, same part number too I think.

Yep, the 1632/2240/3535 use all the same part numbers for supplies. Fuser, BTR, toner, drums.

If you really want to be wild and crazy, use the latest EA toner (EA-Eco) in your 3535. It is designed to be used in a machine with a low temperature fuser, so when you put it in a machine with a regular temperature fuser, it turns super glossy. Freakishly glossy, actually. Unfortunately, also quite a bit too dark, also due to being "over fused"...

I actually have a machine set up this way, though, specifically for this effect. It is an EA-HG machine, but I use EA-Eco in it, and I used the ColorMunki to create a custom printer profile which knocks the lightness/darkness back into place. (The built-in calibration routines are completely befuddled by this combination because the ADC density sensor that analyzes the raw powder on the transfer belt sees everything as a-ok, but after getting overcooked, it is way too dark.) The glossy effect remains even with the profile, of course, so it's great for glossy book covers on C1S stock.

In some cases with the "real" toner with 12pt or 14pt C1S or glossy stock, even running the machine at the slowest "Extra Heavy Cardstock" mode, it would only be a satin finish at best. Which is a nice effect, certainly, but not if the customer wants high gloss! With the EA-Eco toner, it is mirror glossy.

[GusG]

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it is mirror glossy.

How does the gloss compare to a fuser oil machine like DC2060 or DC12?