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  • copyman
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    • Sep 2005
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    BizHub C224e Black developer

    Delivered an off lease machine with around 50k clicks on meter. K drum was at 0% but was working fine Print quality was great. 2 months later they called and said print was light. Replaced drum and prints were still light. Pulled K dev unit and noticed mag roller had hardly any dev on it. Went ahead and replaced developer unit and all was good. Ran about 20 pages and all look great! Less than 1 hour later they called and said machine has error code C-2558 which manual says is high K toner level. I read some posts on this forum and internet that this is a known issue. I was going to take some parts off a shop machine and return tomorrow. Was thinking about bringing the toner hopper, new toner and anything else suggested?

    Any other ideas appreciated. Thanks
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    Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

    Originally posted by copyman
    Delivered an off lease machine with around 50k clicks on meter. K drum was at 0% but was working fine Print quality was great. 2 months later they called and said print was light. Replaced drum and prints were still light. Pulled K dev unit and noticed mag roller had hardly any dev on it. Went ahead and replaced developer unit and all was good. Ran about 20 pages and all look great! Less than 1 hour later they called and said machine has error code C-2558 which manual says is high K toner level. I read some posts on this forum and internet that this is a known issue. I was going to take some parts off a shop machine and return tomorrow. Was thinking about bringing the toner hopper, new toner and anything else suggested?

    Any other ideas appreciated. Thanks
    What toner do you have in it ?

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    • Zesti
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      #3
      Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

      Originally posted by copyman
      Delivered an off lease machine with around 50k clicks on meter. K drum was at 0% but was working fine Print quality was great. 2 months later they called and said print was light. Replaced drum and prints were still light. Pulled K dev unit and noticed mag roller had hardly any dev on it. Went ahead and replaced developer unit and all was good. Ran about 20 pages and all look great! Less than 1 hour later they called and said machine has error code C-2558 which manual says is high K toner level. I read some posts on this forum and internet that this is a known issue. I was going to take some parts off a shop machine and return tomorrow. Was thinking about bringing the toner hopper, new toner and anything else suggested?

      Any other ideas appreciated. Thanks
      There are 2 C2558 posts running on color bizhubs. I'm sure developer qty in tank is not sufficient. Now ur dv tank is over toned.

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      • copier tech
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        • Jan 2014
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        Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

        The secret to this issue is:

        1. Only use genuine KM toner
        2. Do not allow ANY consumable part to run too much over life. (IU's, belt & DV units)
        3. Keep FW at latest version
        Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

        For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

        www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

        ​

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        • copyman
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          Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

          Thanks for the replies. I guess I should've asked if you can swap a dev unit from one machine to another? I feel like I'm back working on the biz 250 B&W machines how you would get a C2557 code if you swapped IU's from one machine to another.

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          • Zesti
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            Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

            Originally posted by copyman
            Thanks for the replies. I guess I should've asked if you can swap a dev unit from one machine to another? I feel like I'm back working on the biz 250 B&W machines how you would get a C2557 code if you swapped IU's from one machine to another.
            Copyman...bh250's really sucks BAD 2557. I had a work around. Want to know?

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            • REGSIS
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              Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

              Originally posted by copyman
              Delivered an off lease machine with around 50k clicks on meter. K drum was at 0% but was working fine Print quality was great. 2 months later they called and said print was light. Replaced drum and prints were still light. Pulled K dev unit and noticed mag roller had hardly any dev on it. Went ahead and replaced developer unit and all was good. Ran about 20 pages and all look great! Less than 1 hour later they called and said machine has error code C-2558 which manual says is high K toner level. I read some posts on this forum and internet that this is a known issue. I was going to take some parts off a shop machine and return tomorrow. Was thinking about bringing the toner hopper, new toner and anything else suggested?

              Any other ideas appreciated. Thanks
              Machine had only 50k total and drum k was at 0%? Drum should be at 0% when it reaches 70k (not before). Something is fishy with that machine.
              For c2558 run some halftone with 255 value and check for toner level every few pages. Stop printing at 6.5%.
              Concerning developer depletion check for drums and ITB overlife, Vg and Vb values and especialy values of IDC sensors (should be around 70 to 80).

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              • Copier Addict
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                Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                Originally posted by REGSIS
                Machine had only 50k total and drum k was at 0%? Drum should be at 0% when it reaches 70k (not before). Something is fishy with that machine.
                For c2558 run some halftone with 255 value and check for toner level every few pages. Stop printing at 6.5%.
                Concerning developer depletion check for drums and ITB overlife, Vg and Vb values and especialy values of IDC sensors (should be around 70 to 80).
                Drum life is measured by minutes of rotation, not by copy count. If the former user did a lot of small jobs the minutes of rotation would be high so the drum would reach end of life quicker

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                • copyman
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                  Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                  So can you swap 4 series developer units from one machine to another without trouble ???? I didn't see anything about it in the serv manual. There are a few bulletins on the K/M knowledge base about developer issues. So looking into these as well.

                  I will investigate further tomorrow with drum rotation times etc when there

                  Now that I think of it something was strange, when I was swapping K dev unit I noticed the wire for K connector was out of the clasp. My first thought was some unscrupulous dealer had swapped a bad dev unit before returning to leasing company.

                  Should I be able to salvage the dev unit I put in today? It came out of a machine with only 20k on it. Customer said they were only able to run a few pages after I left. It would reset but throw the code after one page was printed. So they just turned it off. Hopefully I can still use it since it wasn't used much. hate to waste a good unit.

                  Thanks again for the replies.

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                  • Zesti
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                    Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                    Swapping the IU for testing purposes is not a bad idea unless every thing else is OK.
                    Machine runs stabilization after each cover open so it should adjust to replacement unit. Once again everything else should be OK>

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                    • habik
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                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2013

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                      Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                      Originally posted by copyman
                      So can you swap 4 series developer units from one machine to another without trouble ???? I didn't see anything about it in the serv manual. There are a few bulletins on the K/M knowledge base about developer issues. So looking into these as well.

                      I will investigate further tomorrow with drum rotation times etc when there

                      Now that I think of it something was strange, when I was swapping K dev unit I noticed the wire for K connector was out of the clasp. My first thought was some unscrupulous dealer had swapped a bad dev unit before returning to leasing company.

                      Should I be able to salvage the dev unit I put in today? It came out of a machine with only 20k on it. Customer said they were only able to run a few pages after I left. It would reset but throw the code after one page was printed. So they just turned it off. Hopefully I can still use it since it wasn't used much. hate to waste a good unit.

                      Thanks again for the replies.
                      If you worried of wasting new parts there is Dip SW for testing purposes in enhanced security. Turn it ON and fit new Dev and drum and see where it takes you. Dev or drum counter will not initialise.

                      Hope this helps.

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                      • habik
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                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2013

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                        Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                        Originally posted by Zesti
                        Swapping the IU for testing purposes is not a bad idea unless every thing else is OK.
                        Machine runs stabilization after each cover open so it should adjust to replacement unit. Once again everything else should be OK>
                        Bump somehow didn't see your post.

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                        • docdot69
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                          • May 2016
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                          #13
                          Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                          If you worried of wasting new parts there is Dip SW for testing purposes in enhanced security. Turn it ON and fit new Dev and drum and see where it takes you. Dev or drum counter will not initialise.
                          what Dip SW is it? and what hex should be to test it?

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                          • habik
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                            • 2013

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                            Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                            Originally posted by docdot69
                            what Dip SW is it? and what hex should be to test it?
                            There is no HEX.

                            You do need to enable DIPSW using SoftSwitch.

                            Check in SM.

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                            • docdot69
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                              • May 2016
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                              #15
                              Re: BizHub C224e Black developer

                              Originally posted by habik
                              There is no HEX.

                              You do need to enable DIPSW using SoftSwitch.

                              Check in SM.

                              Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
                              As your reply in private message - this is Engine Dip SW number 3 in enhanced security in service mode.

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