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  • bsm2
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    #1231
    Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
    Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime.

    But not everything is relative; we should not slip into collective amnesia over the Obama administration’s weak and underwhelming response to Russian aggression. Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime. His foreign policy was firmly grounded in the premise that Russia was not a national security threat to the United States. In 2012, Obama disparaged Mitt Romney for exaggerating the Russian threat—“the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years,” Obama quipped. This breezy attitude prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, intervened in Syria, and hacked the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Obama’s response during these critical moments was cautious at best, and deeply misguided at worst. Even the imposition of sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine was accompanied by so much propitiation and restraint elsewhere that it didn’t deter Russia from subsequent aggression, including the risky 2016 influence operation in the United States. Obama, confident that history was on America’s side, for the duration of his time in office underestimated the damaging impact Russia could achieve through asymmetric means.
    Obama’s cautious Russia policy is grounded in three conceptual errors: a failure to grasp the true nature of the Russian threat, most clearly visible in his administration’s restrained response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014; a “long view” of historical trends which in his view inexorably “bent” toward liberalism; and the perception that formidable domestic political obstacles stood in his way when it came to crafting a response to Putin’s assault on the elections in 2016.

    The Obama administration viewed Russia as a declining economy and, at best, a regional player and spoiler. According to a strict “spreadsheet” analysis of the situation, this was not a crazy read. Despite its sprawling geographic reach, Russia’s GDP is roughly that of Spain (about $1.2 trillion); it contributes less than 1.5 percent to global GDP, compared to the U.S.’ 25 percent. Without a jump in oil prices to shore up its petrostate model, Russia’s economic outlook looks grim. Furthermore, Russia’s population is literally disappearing: the country is facing major demographic challenges due to declining birth rates, low life expectancy (especially for men), and emigration. And while Russia is still a nuclear superpower, its military is no match for the United States and NATO. For all these reasons, the Obama administration concluded that, despite divergent views on international order, Moscow could still be a potential (junior) partner on areas of mutual interest. This set of beliefs proved incredibly sticky despite Russian actions that should have set off alarm bells.


    Obama’s much-ballyhooed “Reset” with Russia, launched in 2009, was
    in keeping with optimistic attempts by every post-Cold War American administration to improve relations with Moscow out of the gate. Seizing on the supposed change of leadership in Russia, with Dmitry Medvedev temporarily taking over the presidency from Vladimir Putin, Obama’s team quickly turned a blind eye to Russia’s 2008 war with Georgia, which in retrospect was Putin’s opening move in destabilizing the European order. Like George W. Bush before him, Obama vastly overestimated the extent to which a personal relationship with a Russian leader could affect the bilateral relationship. U.S.-Russia disagreements were not the result of misunderstandings, but rather the product of long-festering grievances. Russia saw itself as a great power that deserved equal standing with the U.S. What Obama saw as gestures of good will—such as the 2009 decision to scrap missile defense plans for Poland and the Czech Republic—Russia interpreted as a U.S. retreat from the European continent. Moscow pocketed the concessions and increasingly inserted itself in European affairs. The Kremlin was both exploiting an easy opportunity and reasserting what it thought was its historic prerogative.



    Though Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was the final nail in the coffin of the Reset, President Obama remained reluctant to view Moscow as anything more than a local spoiler, and thought the whole mess was best handled by Europeans. France and Germany spearheaded the Minsk ceasefire process in 2014-2015, with U.S. support but without Washington at the table. The Obama administration did coordinate a far-ranging sanctions policy with the European Union—an important diplomatic achievement, to be sure. But to date, the sanctions have only had a middling effect on the Russian economy as a whole (oil and gas prices have hurt much more). And given that sanctions cut both ways—potential value is destroyed on both sides when economic activity is systematically prohibited—most of the sacrifice was (and continues to be) born by European economies, which have longstanding ties to Russia. In contrast, the costs of a robust sanctions policy have been comparatively minor in the United States; Obama spent little political capital to push them through at home.




    The Obama administration also sought to shore up NATO’s eastern flank through the European Reassurance Initiative (ERI), which stationed rotating troops in Poland and the Baltics while increasing the budget for U.S. support. Nevertheless, the president resisted calls from Congress, foreign policy experts, and his own cabinet to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine that would have raised the costs on Russia and helped Kyiv defend itself against Russian military incursion into the Donbas. As Obama told Jeffrey Goldberg, he viewed any deterrent moves by the United States as fundamentally not credible, because Russia’s interests clearly trumped our own; it was clear to him they would go to war much more readily that the United States ever would, and thus they had escalatory dominance. Doing more simply made no sense to Obama.

    This timid realpolitik was mixed up with a healthy dose of disdain. Obama dismissed Russia as a “regional power” that was acting out of weakness in Ukraine. “The fact that Russia felt it had to go in militarily and lay bare these violations of international law indicates less influence, not more,” Obama said at the G7 meeting in 2014. This line has not aged well. Obama’s attitudes on Russia reflected his administration’s broadly teleological, progressive outlook on history. Russia’s territorial conquest “belonged in the 19th century.” The advance of globalization, technological innovation, and trade rendered such aggression both self-defeating and anachronistic. The biggest mistake for America would be to overreact to such petty, parochial challenges.
    Still better than Putins Puppet
    Try again after 4 Years of Russia walking all over the US
    from election interfearance to hacking US companies to putting bounties on US soldier's.
    You must be so happy President Biden going to stop Russia
    Go Joe Go

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #1232
      Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

      Who can forget this gem. Hillary Clinton and her Russian reset button. What a clown show:



      Last edited by BillyCarpenter; 01-31-2021, 09:09 PM.
      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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      • bsm2
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        #1233
        Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        Who can forget this gem. Hillary Clinton and her Russian rest button. What a clown show:



        Still better than Putins Puppet
        Try again after 4 Years of Russia walking all over the US
        from election interfearance to hacking US companies to putting bounties on US soldier's.
        You must be so happy President Biden going to stop Russia
        Go Joe Go

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          #1234
          Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

          Originally posted by bsm2
          Still better than Putins Puppet
          Try again after 4 Years of Russia walking all over the US
          from election interfearance to hacking US companies to putting bounties on US soldier's.
          You must be so happy President Biden going to stop Russia
          Go Joe Go


          Hey, the election interference happened on Obama's watch. Read more, talk less.
          Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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          • bsm2
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            #1235
            Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
            Hey, the election interference happened on Obama's watch. Read more, talk less.
            Still better than Putins Puppet
            Try again after 4 Years of Russia walking all over the US
            from election interfearance to hacking US companies to putting bounties on US soldier's.
            You must be so happy President Biden going to stop Russia
            Go Joe Go
            Hey try google it really really REALLY works

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            • Phil B.
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              #1236
              Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

              Originally posted by bsm2
              Still better than Putins Puppet
              Try again after 4 Years of Russia walking all over the US
              from election interfearance to hacking US companies to putting bounties on US soldier's.
              You must be so happy President Biden going to stop Russia
              Go Joe Go
              How did they walk all over us?
              Trump imposed stricter sanctions than Obama Bush and Clinton EVER DID?
              YOU LIBTURDS need to get off the Russia BS.. remember it was HILLARY that worked with a limey spy and putin on the FAKE DOSSIER!

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              • bsm2
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                #1237
                Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                Originally posted by Phil B.
                How did they walk all over us?
                Trump imposed stricter sanctions than Obama Bush and Clinton EVER DID?
                YOU LIBTURDS need to get off the Russia BS.. remember it was HILLARY that worked with a limey spy and putin on the FAKE DOSSIER!

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                Yep gave Russia Syria sold out our friends in Syria
                Did Nothing on election interfearance Did nothing on US soldier's bounties. Did Nothing on the recent cyber hacks on the US Government

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                • bsm2
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                  #1238
                  Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                  Finally a President with Balls

                  Biden says U.S. will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia, calls for Navalny's immediate release


                  President Joe Biden warned Moscow on Thursday that the United States will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia and defend American interests in his first major foreign policy address since taking office.

                  "I made it very clear to President Putin in a manner very different from my predecessor that the days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russian aggressive actions, interfering with our elections, cyberattacks, poisoning its citizens, are over," Biden said.

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                  • Phil B.
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                    #1239
                    Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                    Originally posted by bsm2
                    Finally a President with Balls

                    Biden says U.S. will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia, calls for Navalny's immediate release


                    President Joe Biden warned Moscow on Thursday that the United States will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia and defend American interests in his first major foreign policy address since taking office.

                    "I made it very clear to President Putin in a manner very different from my predecessor that the days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russian aggressive actions, interfering with our elections, cyberattacks, poisoning its citizens, are over," Biden said.
                    And Russia said "No deal BeijingBiden"

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                    • SalesServiceGuy
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                      #1240
                      Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                      Originally posted by Phil B.
                      And Russia said "No deal BeijingBiden"

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                      ... the US sailed the guided missile destroyer John McCain in the straits between Taiwan and China this week. The passage was a demonstration of the USA's freedom of navigation rights in international waters in a clear message to China that it supports both Taiwan and Japan.

                      Calling politicians lame nicknames is so 2020!

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                      • Hansen88
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                        #1241
                        Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                        Originally posted by bsm2
                        Finally a President with Balls

                        Biden says U.S. will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia, calls for Navalny's immediate release


                        President Joe Biden warned Moscow on Thursday that the United States will not hesitate to raise the cost on Russia and defend American interests in his first major foreign policy address since taking office.

                        "I made it very clear to President Putin in a manner very different from my predecessor that the days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russian aggressive actions, interfering with our elections, cyberattacks, poisoning its citizens, are over," Biden said.
                        I am sure he is shaking in his boots!He probably figures by next week biden will have forgotten all about it.

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                        • Phil B.
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                          #1242
                          Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                          ... the US sailed the guided missile destroyer John McCain in the straits between Taiwan and China this week. The passage was a demonstration of the USA's freedom of navigation rights in international waters in a clear message to China that it supports both Taiwan and Japan.

                          Calling politicians lame nicknames is so 2020!
                          So is CA going to drop the 'donny boy' shit?
                          I seem to remember that you three said " Obama isn't president any more so you can't talk about him.
                          Where's the fair play?
                          Does Trump have to be out of office for a certain number of days before the rule applies to him?
                          Asking for a friend [emoji2960]

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                          • bsm2
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                            #1243
                            Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                            Originally posted by Hansen88
                            I am sure he is shaking in his boots!He probably figures by next week biden will have forgotten all about it.
                            Dam straight America Back

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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #1244
                              Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                              Originally posted by Phil B.
                              So is CA going to drop the 'donny boy' shit?
                              I seem to remember that you three said " Obama isn't president any more so you can't talk about him.
                              Where's the fair play?
                              Does Trump have to be out of office for a certain number of days before the rule applies to him?
                              Asking for a friend [emoji2960]

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                              Who stopped you from talking about Obama?
                              You really play the victim to a tee. Poor you.

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                              • Phil B.
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                                #1245
                                Re: How Russia hacked the Democrats email

                                Originally posted by copier addict
                                Who stopped you from talking about Obama?
                                You really play the victim to a tee. Poor you.
                                You three have been saying that for years. ...so...

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