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  • ZOOTECH
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    • Jul 2007
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    #16
    Re: Paper in school machines

    Originally posted by gneebore
    Had similar problem abiut 15 years ago. Three out of fifteen pcs wouldn't print to the copier. Their computer expert(offsite btw) explained it had to be the copier because the pcs were on the network and sending and receiving e-mails. Office manager would not accept from a mere copier tech and not a computer expert(me) that there had to be a network problem. I went out took my router, and cables unplugged their cables and set up mine to natch the ip address range of my laptop to that of the copier. Everything worked, scanning, printing. Unplugged my equipment and plugged their networking back in and tested with a "working pc" and everything worked there too. Went and used one of the problem machines and nope nothing. So I had the printout from the copier network settings and lo an behold they did not match the ip address range on the problem pc. Pointed that out to the office manager and explained that was the problem. Had her sign the ticket and left. Two days later got a call from the owner of my shop. I had to go back the office manager was convinced the copier was the problem and I had to figure something out. I get there and ask if I could move one of the problem pc;s and plug it in where a "working pc" was without turning off the working machine. We did and guess what the copier immediately printed what it was told to print from the problem pc. And I know it was printing from the problem machine because the page was a picture I found on the pc of the secretary's child. Set everything back where they were originally and just in case printed from the pc unplugged from the network and it worked fine. Left explaining this was a free call but any more network problems would be a charge since we did not cover network troubleshooting. Yes three days later we had an early morning conference with their computer guy me, my boss the office manager, and the owner of the business. Explained to the owner what was done and what was happening and mr computer expert flat out said since I was not network certified I did not know what I was talking about. Then the fun part. I went with everyone in tow into the little closet where the "router" for the three problem machines were networked. Turned it off and the three pc's. Unplugged the network input cable to the router and plugged it into one of the other plug sockets, Turned them all on and went and did printer driver test sheets from all three problem machines and they all worked, If you do that the router now acts as a switch instead of a router and the network dhcp addresses come from the network and not the router which is likely to assign it's own range to the output cable connections. Then I looked at the computer expert and said to him "next time use a switch instead of a router so the network assigns ip addresses instead of the router."
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    • blackcat4866
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      #17
      Re: Paper in school machines

      Originally posted by slimslob
      One other thing to watch for are machines that are where they touched by students. You never know what they might do. Had one in an attendance office that suddenly started throwing finisher exit jams. Looked in the exit area and saw something inside where there shouldn't be anything shiny. Got out my long forceps and pulled out a gun wrapper that had been setting on the exit sensor.
      I'm pretty sure it was an elementary school that this issue: every HP printer in the building printed 99 copies of every print. The paper trays were emptying out quickly. A student figured out the print settings menu.
      =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • roho
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        #18
        Re: Paper in school machines

        Back in the day we had some large volume analog devices going out to a University Library. I had to drill and install key locks from a hardware store in the toner supply area and the waste toner, plus the paper trays. Previous machine had students using it as a impromptu urinal. Higher education............

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        • Lagonda
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          #19
          Re: Paper in school machines

          Originally posted by roho
          Back in the day we had some large volume analog devices going out to a University Library. I had to drill and install key locks from a hardware store in the toner supply area and the waste toner, plus the paper trays. Previous machine had students using it as a impromptu urinal. Higher education............
          And of course you covered the damage under the Service Agreement.............
          At least 50% of IT is a solution looking for a problem.

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          • roho
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            #20
            Re: Paper in school machines

            Originally posted by Lagonda
            And of course you covered the damage under the Service Agreement.............
            Quite likely, while our branch prepped the machines it was actually another branch who serviced them, probably included some freebies. Back in the day the Mothership was fairly generous on various customer sins.

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            • guitar9199
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              #21
              Re: Paper in school machines

              I LITERALLY dealt with this issue at a High School that had a Canon iR5050. The call was for jamming, and when I arrived, this is what I saw.... (Wish I had taken a photo of that instead.....)
              Attached Files

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              • blackcat4866
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                #22
                Re: Paper in school machines

                I found a canon iR5000 in which both the 3 ream paper decks had wrapped reams of paper just like yours. I got a really good laugh out of it.

                i told that customer that this particular model does come with the unwrapping option, so you'll have to unwrap the reams yourself. =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • roho
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                  #23
                  Re: Paper in school machines

                  Some of the saltiest language I have heard on the job has been while I was behind a machine working on it with panels stripped and moved out from the wall and a teacher walks in. What they will say when they think no one is around is something else.

                  Speaking of schools, I once had to go to a public school, grades 1 to 8, and work on a very old machine years back. The kids had just been let out so I had a small group of teachers sitting in the room that the machine was in. I had a rough day and a headache and when I asked what was wrong they all began talking excitedly at once, all of them pointing here and there and talking over each other like well, little kids. Without realizing it, I began to rub my forehead and raised my voice slightly and said " Please, one at a time". The teachers all had silly grins on their faces, I guess since all of them deal with kids all day they sound like them when they are in the staff room.

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                  • NeoMatrix
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    Re: Paper in school machines

                    Originally posted by guitar9199
                    I LITERALLY dealt with this issue at a High School that had a Canon iR5050. The call was for jamming, and when I arrived, this is what I saw.... (Wish I had taken a photo of that instead.....)

                    haha....yeah.

                    Re: Wrapped paper ream.

                    Its actually at good way to keep your paper dry overnight, if the machine comes with tray heaters.
                    But ream drying is only good for a one person secretary office who's in full knowledgable control of their machine.
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                    • Santander
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                      #25
                      Re: Paper in school machines

                      Never had this, yet! But we did have a teacher a couple of years ago call for the document feeder jamming, it would not feed a CD in a plastic case that they wanted to make a copy of the cover!

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                      • mikadonovan
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                        #26
                        Re: Paper in school machines

                        Originally posted by Santander
                        Never had this, yet! But we did have a teacher a couple of years ago call for the document feeder jamming, it would not feed a CD in a plastic case that they wanted to make a copy of the cover!
                        So, so sad. One would think an educated individual would simply pull the cover out of the case and copy that
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                        • NeoMatrix
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                          #27
                          Re: Paper in school machines

                          Originally posted by Santander
                          Never had this, yet! But we did have a teacher a couple of years ago call for the document feeder jamming, it would not feed a CD in a plastic case that they wanted to make a copy of the cover!
                          Ouch... Was the teacher a Uni professor?

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                          • hachetman
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                            #28
                            Re: Paper in school machines

                            Originally posted by Geo
                            For some reason it's difficult explaining to and having educator's and administration understand and believe why paper becomes damp and it's effect ...
                            educators r the the hardest ppl to educate
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                            • NeoMatrix
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                              #29
                              Re: Paper in school machines

                              Originally posted by hachetman
                              educators r the the hardest ppl to educate
                              ooooooh! yeah.
                              Had a head-to-head discussion with a couple of teachers an a head-master at a primary school over the years.

                              The golden rule is --DO NOT try and teach the teacher!. Just let them believe they know everything about copiers.
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                              • Blizzoo
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                                #30
                                Re: Paper in school machines

                                It can be easier to get a group of teachers all together, after a lunch break if possible, to explain why does... the line comes only from DF copies and not from the glass/print
                                Defects are simple, our mind is complicated

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