Anti-vaccine ridiculousness

[Copier Addict]

What kind of person denies their children the potential life saving protection of vaccinations?
In my opinion you would have to be a complete moron to not give your child all the help you can.
There is zero proof they cause autism, yet these people somehow believe they do.
The, so called, ethical stand against using a product created from aborted foetuses is a non issue. The cells they use now are so far removed from the original ones they really not even related anymore.

[allan]

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Its a touchy subject for me, knowing that money corrupts and that these concoctions are man made and man is far from perfect. Where there is smoke there is fire.
Last time i checked government craves ultimate control and will do strange things to maintain it.
Will leave it up to some one who has twins to test with to let us know. That is not my real hart but makes you think.
I don't have children so difficult for me to understand the fear and confusion a parent have to face making these decisions.
Leaves you wondering what is the bigger risk.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

[Copier Addict]

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Its a touchy subject for me, knowing that money corrupts and that these concoctions are man made and man is far from perfect. Where there is smoke there is fire.
Last time i checked government craves ultimate control and will do strange things to maintain it.
Will leave it up to some one who has twins to test with to let us know. That is not my real hart but makes you think.
I don't have children so difficult for me to understand the fear and confusion a parent have to face making these decisions.
Leaves you wondering what is the bigger risk.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I didn't consider the tinfoil hat side here.
I have a child and I gave him the same protection that was given me. There was no fear or confusion involved in the decision.

[allan]

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Germ theory vs terrain theory is a good to look at.

We have taken our health out of our own hands and given it away to a lucrative business that would rather enslave us than heal us.
As long as vaccines does not become mandatory we have a choice in the matter, freedom to decide for yourself.
This is an emotional topic and i will refrain.


Rev 18:23

[qbert69]

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What kind of person denies their children the potential life saving protection of vaccinations?
In my opinion you would have to be a complete moron to not give your child all the help you can.
There is zero proof they cause autism, yet these people somehow believe they do.
The, so called, ethical stand against using a product created from aborted foetuses is a non issue. The cells they use now are so far removed from the original ones they really not even related anymore.

Bill Gates "promotes" vaccinations...his father was a eugenicist. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Just do a Google query on how many elites allow their children to be vaccinated and I think you'll have your answer!!![emoji6]

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[slimslob]

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The potential problem is not the vaccines themselves. It is the thimerosal that is used as a preservative. From the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines." The potential for problems increases, especially for young children, when multiple vaccinations are administered at the same time or over a short period of time. With more and more vaccinations being required to enter school, such multiple vaccinations are common when parents wait until the last minute to get their child vaccinated.

[copyman]

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I agree. Same principles as jehovah witness' with not allowing blood transfusions. Ask anyone of them if their child or loved one needed a transfusion to live what would they do, they all answer the same way NO transfusion, leave it up to God!

Another one are the scientology morons, a lot of Hollywood liberals are into that crap. This is the perfect religion for them. What's the difference if you kill the baby by denying "routine" healthcare or rip the baby apart with an abortion in the third trimester! Neither one bothers them. You could offer all their money to me if I would be like them, guess what I would tell them.... to shove the money up their @ss!

Real Wacko's that would send their kid to school UNvaccinated to infect my kid. If you elect not to vaccinate yourself or kids then you better home school them, because if they get my kid sick with a deadly disease like measles I will be paying those parents a visit and it won't end well!

[Copier Addict]

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I agree. Same principles as jehovah witness' with not allowing blood transfusions. Ask anyone of them if their child or loved one needed a transfusion to live what would they do, they all answer the same way NO transfusion, leave it up to God!

Another one are the scientology morons, a lot of Hollywood liberals are into that crap. This is the perfect religion for them. What's the difference if you kill the baby by denying "routine" healthcare or rip the baby apart with an abortion in the third trimester! Neither one bothers them. You could offer all their money to me if I would be like them, guess what I would tell them.... to shove the money up their @ss!

Real Wacko's that would send their kid to school UNvaccinated to infect my kid. If you elect not to vaccinate yourself or kids then you better home school them, because if they get my kid sick with a deadly disease like measles I will be paying those parents a visit and it won't end well!

Let's keep political views out of this thread. There are enough political threads already.

[gneebore]

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What kind of person denies their children the potential life saving protection of vaccinations?
In my opinion you would have to be a complete moron to not give your child all the help you can.
There is zero proof they cause autism, yet these people somehow believe they do.
The, so called, ethical stand against using a product created from aborted foetuses is a non issue. The cells they use now are so far removed from the original ones they really not even related anymore.

The "study" that associated autism with the vaccines has been proven a falsified data study. Did a quick search and found tons of links with all sorts of different websites debunking the autism study too many to list actually. The actual proof of the effectiveness of vaccines makes no impact on the anti-vaccine crowd. I actually went to school with some students that contracted polio before the vaccine to prevent polio was developed. The worst cases of polio sufferers were not plentiful, And if severe enough they were treated with the dreaded iron lung. And every one of us in school in the fifties had the scar on the upper arm. Heck I still have a very very faint remnant of the polio vaccine scar. In fact the vaccinations were carried out in school classrooms. Of course I also do not remember if there was a religious exemption allowed back then either.

Actual fact is I do tend to avoid vaccinations now. But there have been some stories where people born and attending elementary school in the fifties have immunity from measles due to the back then required vaccinations. Or even actual natural immunity because you actually had a version of the measles and your body has created the anti-bodies naturally. The first time I was required to get a flu vaccination I ended up with walking pneumonia, temp of 102.5 coughing sneezing all the symptoms. Problem was there were actually so many cases at Fort Dix Training Center they only hospitalized you if your temp was 103.5. Less than that you stayed with the rest off the other infected recruits. I have had similar reactions to the flu vaccine three more times when I was required to have one to be able to get onto two of the military basis nearby when we had contracts on equipment on base. Strangely I have had no reactions to vaccines against other illnesses, just the flu vaccinations. Yes I had the shingles vaccination years ago when it was developed.

[gneebore]

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I agree. Same principles as jehovah witness' with not allowing blood transfusions. Ask anyone of them if their child or loved one needed a transfusion to live what would they do, they all answer the same way NO transfusion, leave it up to God!

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Real Wacko's that would send their kid to school UNvaccinated to infect my kid. If you elect not to vaccinate yourself or kids then you better home school them, because if they get my kid sick with a deadly disease like measles I will be paying those parents a visit and it won't end well!

Actually i do believe there are more and more places requiring proof of vaccinations before your or your children are allowed to attend or participate in group activities. Only problem is even if they are banned from public gatherings most commercial establishment, stores theaters restaurants etc have no way of checking or preventing infected children or adults exposed to the disease carrying the viruses into these public areas. I have read about some school districts, and private schools, now requiring proof of vaccination before the children can attend classes.

The biggest problems now is the spread of measles to children too young to be vaccinated because older children infected with measles are attending class or public events and spreading the virus through contact with vaccinated children who. Who then carry the virus unknowingly back to their home and then the very young are infected that way.

[copyman]

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Let's keep political views out of this thread. There are enough political threads already.

Sorry, you are correct. Last thing we need is to start a political fight. I've seen that and as I have posted before I will not argue politics on a copier forum! I blocked at least 2 Dem morons and never posted again in those political threads!

[slimslob]

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Let's keep political views out of this thread. There are enough political threads already.

This thread is a current political issue.

[slimslob]

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Though autism is not directly associated with vaccines, sufficiently high levels of mercury, from thimerosal, is neurotoxic, and probably more toxic in the immature brain. It is this neurotoxicity that could contribute to autism. There are two thing that parents can do to ensure the safety of their children.

1. When possible, insist on single dose vaccines as they normally do not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative.
2. When single dose vaccines are not available, do not have multiple vaccines administered at the same time, space them out over a six month to a year time period, in another word do not shotgun all the vaccinations your child needs to start school the week before school starts. FYI multiple disease vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) and DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis) are considered single vaccines.

[allan]

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Anyone here had measles, mumps, chicken-pocks, tetanus or any other viral or bacterial illness other that the flu?

[gneebore]

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Anyone here had measles, mumps, chicken-pocks, tetanus or any other viral or bacterial illness other that the flu?

Had the mumps and chickenpox when growing up. And probably the measles too since the vaccine was not developed until I was about eleven and in the fifties the measles were a very common ailment in preschool and elementary school children. They were then considered childhood diseases. I have also had shingles. When I was being treated for the shingles episode my doctor informed me that shingles is quite common in adults who had the chickenpox as a child. Never had tetanus because when I did step on a board with a few rusty nails that got through the soles of my shoe, So immediately right to the doctor and tetanus shot to prevent an infection. Have had quite a few tetanus booster shots over the years too. A lot of those old typewriters had some rusty parts in the that could be sharp. In fact I have also had the new preventative treatment for rabies. Quite a few years ago I was bitten by a stray kitten. There were quite a few feral cats in the area around the shop and there were actual cases of feral cats and raccoons in the area that were infected with rabies. Lucky me they had developed the newer less invasive preventative injections instead of the earlier very very painful treatment. Although they did have to test against a possible allergic reaction to the new treatment. Lucky me I was not allergic so I got the new treatment.