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  • Tricky
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    #1801
    Re: Let the truth be known

    Originally posted by Phil B.
    and he still won't comprehend it..
    Yeah as far as the honourable gentleman is concerned, the eyes are open, the fingers move, but the brain has long since departed.

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    • bsm2
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      #1802
      Re: Let the truth be known

      Originally posted by skynet
      Yeah as far as the honourable gentleman is concerned, the eyes are open, the fingers move, but the brain has long since departed.
      Yep pretty funny that people will die!
      Do to the lack of Leadership and policy Failures.

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      • FrohnB
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        #1803
        Re: Let the truth be known

        White Flag? Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, Signal Surrender On Coronavirus Relief Bill As White House Helps Ink Deal | The Daily Wire

        Piss-Losi's little stunt yesterday (trying to introduce her and her minions' own bill with completely ridiculous demands) went absolutely NOWHERE!! To compound that failure, the media and the American Public were quick to voice their distrust and distaste for Pelosi and the democratic party. The Original stimulus bill in the senate is roughly 250 pages long. Piss-Losi's proposed bill was almost 6 times bigger, at 1,400 PAGES!
        It was discovered that there were handouts to select charter schools, the Kennedy Center, the United States Postal Service, wind and solar energy firms, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The bill also contained demands for Green New Deal-like regulations on airlines, a near-complete overhaul of voting systems, and a shot in the arm for struggling labor unions.
        The democrats don't care about the American people. If they did, we would already have a relief package on the way DAYS AGO!!




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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          #1804
          Re: Let the truth be known

          Originally posted by FrohnB
          White Flag? Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, Signal Surrender On Coronavirus Relief Bill As White House Helps Ink Deal | The Daily Wire

          Piss-Losi's little stunt yesterday (trying to introduce her and her minions' own bill with completely ridiculous demands) went absolutely NOWHERE!! To compound that failure, the media and the American Public were quick to voice their distrust and distaste for Pelosi and the democratic party. The Original stimulus bill in the senate is roughly 250 pages long. Piss-Losi's proposed bill was almost 6 times bigger, at 1,400 PAGES!
          It was discovered that there were handouts to select charter schools, the Kennedy Center, the United States Postal Service, wind and solar energy firms, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The bill also contained demands for Green New Deal-like regulations on airlines, a near-complete overhaul of voting systems, and a shot in the arm for struggling labor unions.
          The democrats don't care about the American people. If they did, we would already have a relief package on the way DAYS AGO!!




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          There is barely a shred of truth in your statement based on an opinion piece in the Daily Wire that exhibits a far right wing media bias.

          The Daily Wire is owned by Forward Publishing LLC. Forward Publishing is owned and managed by the billionaire Wilks Bothers who made their money through the fossil fuel industry with their company Frac Tech. The Wilks brothers are also a part of the extreme Christian right who interpret the bible literally.

          The Daily Wire - Media Bias/Fact Check

          The Corona Virus Stimulus bill has not been passed yet but what was clear in the original Republican Senate proposal was that it catered to US Corporations much more than US citizens.

          H.R. 6201, FAMILIES FIRST CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE ACT

          The legislation provides paid leave, establishes free testing, protects public healthworkers, and provides important benefits to children and families.

          DIVISION A – Second Coronavirus Preparedness and ResponseSupplemental Appropriations Act, 2020Prepared by the Democratic staff of the House Committee on Appropriations

          ... is eight pages long.

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          • FrohnB
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            #1805
            Re: Let the truth be known

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            There is barely a shred of truth in your statement based on an opinion piece in the Daily Wire that exhibits a far right wing media bias.

            The Daily Wire is owned by Forward Publishing LLC. Forward Publishing is owned and managed by the billionaire Wilks Bothers who made their money through the fossil fuel industry with their company Frac Tech. The Wilks brothers are also a part of the extreme Christian right who interpret the bible literally.

            The Daily Wire - Media Bias/Fact Check
            You are referencing a "summary of the bill", at 8 pages long. The actual bill was 1,400 pages.

            How the House Democrats' stimulus plan compares to the Senate's - POLITICO
            Democrats are following through on their threat to go rogue with their own stimulus plan, unveiling a more than 1,400-page bill Monday night,packed with policy differences compared to the proposal Senate Republicans laid out.


            A counterproposal to the Senate's massive aid package proposal to address the coronavirus crisis, House Democrats have released a bill: the Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act.
            In the Senate, Democrats on Monday blocked Majority Leader Mitch McConnell‘s second attempt at a vote to advance his $1.8 trillion plan, saying its loan program for companies lacks transparency and oversight.
            1,400-page bill would have broad implications for the financial sector.
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            • Copier Addict
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              #1806
              Re: Let the truth be known

              Originally posted by FrohnB
              You are referencing a "summary of the bill", at 8 pages long. The actual bill was 1,400 pages.

              How the House Democrats' stimulus plan compares to the Senate's - POLITICO
              Democrats are following through on their threat to go rogue with their own stimulus plan, unveiling a more than 1,400-page bill Monday night,packed with policy differences compared to the proposal Senate Republicans laid out.


              Coronavirus Bill: House Democrats Release Counterproposal To Senate Package : NPRPelosi unveils $2.5t Democrat coronavirus stimulus plan | Fortune1,400-page bill would have broad implications for the financial sector.
              Why are you okay with a huge sum of money going to corporate executives with no strings, but you aren't okay with money going to the other places you mentioned?

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              • slimslob
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                #1807
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                In the final hour of trading, gains picked up steam giving the Dow Jones Industrial Average a 2,112 point gain, the biggest ever

                Dow posts 2,112 point gain biggest ever | Fox Business

                IJI DOW JONES AVERAGES 20704.91 +2,112.98 +11.37%
                SP500 S&P 500 2447.33 +209.93 +9.38%
                I:COMP NASDAQ COMPOSITE INDEX 7417.857035 +557.18 +8.12%

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                • bsm2
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                  #1808
                  Re: Let the truth be known

                  Originally posted by slimslob
                  In the final hour of trading, gains picked up steam giving the Dow Jones Industrial Average a 2,112 point gain, the biggest ever

                  Dow posts 2,112 point gain biggest ever | Fox Business

                  IJI DOW JONES AVERAGES 20704.91 +2,112.98 +11.37%
                  SP500 S&P 500 2447.33 +209.93 +9.38%
                  I:COMP NASDAQ COMPOSITE INDEX 7417.857035 +557.18 +8.12%
                  But you said Trump has No control over the stock market!
                  Yep you posted it
                  Oh Boy it's still down 5,000 points

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                  • bsm2
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                    #1809
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                    Andrew Cuomo to Trump administration: 'You pick the 26K people who are going to die'
                    Gov. Andrew Cuomo voiced alarm and frustration with the Trump administration’s response to the growing coronavirus crisis Tuesday, estimating that New York is just two weeks away from hitting the apex of its outbreak.


                    Cuomo was careful not to call out President Donald Trump by name, but said in stark terms that if U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar doesn’t release the 20,000 ventilators in the federal stockpile and the president doesn’t demand U.S. companies manufacture more, thousands of New Yorkers will die as a result.


                    “The president said it's a war ... then act like it,” Cuomo said, raising his voice during a morning news conference at the Javits Center in Manhattan. “They’re doing the supplies? Here’s my question: Where are they?”


                    If more ventilators aren’t sent within weeks, Cuomo told the feds, “You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die.”


                    New York has procured just 7,000 of the 30,000 ventilators required to treat the expected surge in hospitalized Covid-19 patients.


                    Later on Tuesday, Vice President Mike Pence said on Fox News that the federal government would be sending an additional 2,000 ventilators with another 2,000 on the way Wednesday. Half are going to New York City, according to Mayor Bill de Blasio.


                    Trump also rebuked Cuomo, saying that the governor’s administration chose not to order additional ventilators as part of pandemic planning in 2015.


                    But that 2015 report did not recommend purchasing additional ventilators because there would not be enough staffing to operate them. It estimated only 16,000 additional ventilators would be needed — far less than the projected 30,000 New York now needs.


                    "I'm not blaming him or anything else. But he shouldn't be talking about us. He's supposed to be buying his own ventilators,” Trump said. “We are going to help ... We are working very, very hard for the people of New York. We are working a lot with him. Then I watch him on this show complaining."


                    Cuomo repeated his call for the Trump administration to use the federal Defense Production Act to contract with American companies so more of the vital machines can be manufactured in the coming weeks.


                    “There is no other way for us to get these ventilators, we’ve tried everything else,” he said. “The only way we can obtain these ventilators is from the federal government, period. … If we don’t have the ventilators in 14 days it does us no good.”


                    He added that for the president “not to exercise that power is inexplicable.”


                    With nearly 26,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus, New York is the epicenter of the crisis, nationally. The governor said the state is now expected to need 140,000 hospital beds when the virus reaches its peak — which he estimates will occur in the next 14 to 21 days.


                    Cuomo has ordered New York hospitals to increase their total capacity from 53,000 beds to at least 75,000 — with the goal of creating 110,000 beds.


                    The governor said he “will turn this state upside down to get the number of beds we need.” He said he’s in touch with hotel owners to take over their locations and has no problem turning dorms at state colleges into makeshift hospitals.


                    But, Cuomo argued, that means nothing if New York does not have the staff or equipment needed to treat those beds.


                    “This is a critical and desperate need for ventilators,” he said, adding that New York is now experimenting with splitting ventilators between two patients as a potential solution to the shortage. “At this point we have no alternative so we’re working on this experimental application.”


                    FEMA has sent just 400 ventilators to New York — an amount which Cuomo said misses “the magnitude of the problem.”


                    The federal government could use its authority to provide businesses start-up capital and guaranteed contracts to build more ventilators in 14 days. Companies volunteering services — something the president has pointed to in recent days — is not enough, Cuomo said.


                    He compared the current push to World War II when the U.S. contracted directly for military supplies.


                    "When we went to war we didn't say, 'Any company out there want to build a battleship?'" he said, mocking the federal government's current stance.


                    He argued business would welcome such an order.


                    “You know what business wants? They want to make money … let them open their factory and make money, help them do that by ordering the supplies you need,” Cuomo said. “That’s what the Defense [Production] Act was all about and at the rate they are going — it is not happening. FEMA says we’re sending 400 ventilators. Really? What am I going to do with 400 ventilators when I need 30,000?”


                    The Trump administration has thus far used its procurement authority only once during the crisis, announcing Tuesday that it would use it in limited fashion to secure 6,000 testing kits.


                    The governor also directly addressed the rest of the nation. He said he would not hold onto the ventilators in New York once the need passes and he pleaded for unity for amid a national crisis.


                    “I’m asking you to help New York to help yourselves,” Cuomo said. “Let’s learn how to act as one nation here. We learn the lesson here and we will save lives in your community.”

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                    • bsm2
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                      • bsm2
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                        #1811
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                        Trump's staff cuts have undermined Covid-19 containment efforts, watchdog finds
                        White House cut staff tasked with identifying global health problems in China, and tried to slash CDC funding


                        The Trump administration badly undermined the effort to contain the coronavirus outbreak by getting rid of most staff tasked with identifying global health problems in China while repeatedly attempting to slash funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), according to a new report by an environmental watchdog.


                        Over the past three years, the Trump administration has drastically reduced a team working in China to identify global health threats like Covid-19, which originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan late last year. The initiative’s 11 CDC staffers have been cut to three people, while 39 workers classed as “local employees” have been reduced to 11 people.


                        The administration disbanded the national security council’s directorate charged with global health and has sought to go further still, requesting budget cuts from the CDC of up to 20% for each of the past three years, only to be rebuffed by Congress. Trump’s effort to dismantle the Affordable Care Act would also have reduced the CDC’s funding by around 8% a year.


                        The CDC has still undergone an “erosion of budget and staff under Trump” but without Congress’s defiance “thousands more Americans would likely die over the next few months because of even more reduced capacity at the CDC”, according to the report, compiled by the Environmental Data and Governance Initiative (EDGI).


                        “If we cannot draw lessons here for our future, then the risks Americans face both from emerging and chronic diseases will become truly incalculable,” the report warns.


                        The report, which draws upon publicly available federal government records, highlights a lengthy list of actions by the Trump administration that has risked turning the spread of the coronavirus into an even greater disaster.


                        The administration has proposed a 20% cut to the CDC’s emerging and zoonotic diseases program, which investigates and prevents new diseases. It has also attempted to reduce funding to help countries in Africa still suffering from the Ebola epidemic, overseen the loss of 61 staff from the CDC’s disease prevention program and proposed deep cuts to the CDC’s environmental health work.


                        Christopher Sellers, an expert in the environment and health at Stony Brook University and a lead author of the report, said the Trump administration’s actions slowed down the response to the virus and probably affected the preparedness of hospitals and various government agencies to the crisis.


                        “The administration has repeatedly and systematically corroded critical parts of the CDC,” Sellers said. “This was just begging for an epidemic to hit us. It was a perfect storm of lack of preparation.”


                        Sellers added: “It’s kind of incredible they are now trying to rewrite history to say we have plenty of resources when they’ve systematically targeted them. They should be held responsible by the American people as it is outrageous.”


                        Donald Trump initially reacted to the onward march of coronavirus by calling it a “hoax” before then, also inaccurately, claiming that the US had completely contained the disease.


                        The president has since declared a national state of emergency but the federal response has been dogged by a severe lack of testing, a dearth of crucial medical supplies such as ventilators and false and misleading statements by Trump over the need to avoid large gatherings of people.


                        On Sunday, the president was asked in a press conference about the administration’s cuts to the CDC, in particular the removal of an epidemiologist embedded within China’s own CDC equivalent.


                        Trump said: “We actually gave CDC more money, not less money. They said we defunded. It turned out it was more money. Every one of those things that were said were 100% wrong, and this sounds like another one them.”


                        Trump then sought to blame China for the crisis. “I wish they told us three months sooner that this was a problem,” the president said about a disease that emerged in December and was then reported by China to the World Health Organization in January. “We didn’t know about it.”

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                        • FrohnB
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                          #1812
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                          Gallup: Trump job approval rating matches all-time high | TheHill

                          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-poll-k86e29otjob approval rating at 49 percentTRUMP2020
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                          • bsm2
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                            #1813
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                            Originally posted by FrohnB
                            Gallup: Trump job approval rating matches all-time high | TheHill

                            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-poll-k86e29ot


                            The new poll finds Trump’s job approval rating at 49 percent, up from 44 percent in the same survey earlier this month. The 49 percent job approval rating is the high mark for Trump since he came into office. He first hit that mark in late January, shortly before he was acquitted by the Senate in his impeachment trial.
                            The president’s job approval rating has remained steady among Republicans (92 percent), but he’s gained 8 points among independents (43 percent) and 6 points among Democrats (13 percent).
                            It appears that Trump’s handling of the coronavirus response is behind the approval rating bump. Sixty percent of voters overall said they approve of the job Trump is doing to address the epidemic, including 94 percent of Republicans, 60 percent of independents and 27 percent of Democrats.

                            OUR President has done an amazing job in the past 3 years, and has been doing a great job on the virus response. A majority of Americans AGREE!


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                            Oh Boy 49%
                            Wait till next week as the Trump do nothing death toll raises
                            More American's died from Corona Virus in the US than in 8 years of war in Afghanistan

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                            • FrohnB
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                              Originally posted by bsm2
                              Wait till next week as the Trump do nothing death toll raises
                              It's almost like you are excited about people dying!? It's like you Absolutely want people to die, so you can "trash OUR President". You truly are sick.
                              We were warned weeks ago that once tests become readily available and more results come in, that the numbers will climb (common sense - more testing = more test results = more numbers), and that the media and democrats will use that as ammo to stoke even more panic and fear. Don't let them Scare you!!!!
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                              • FrohnB
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                                #1815
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                                Originally posted by bsm2
                                More American's died from Corona Virus in the US than in 8 years of war in Afghanistan
                                It seems you edited your post to add a completely BUNK and INACCURATE statement.
                                2,440 deaths total from the war in Afghanistan.
                                758 deaths from Covid in US.

                                Where the hell do you get your information??
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