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  • SalesServiceGuy
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    #11926
    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

    ... I was both afraid of this and not surprised by this.

    Conventional thinking about pandemics suggests they last globally about three years. That was based upon past pandemic experience from decades ago.

    Since then people are much more easily able to quickly travel long distances and this variant has already mutated many more times than past pandemic infections.


    Just when we thought things were looking up at least a little, because the omicron variant, while being more contagious, often takes a milder course than delta, a new variant emerged. We do not yet know how dangerous it is or where it originated.


    Even more mutations than omicron

    This new mutant, called B.1.640.2, has 46 mutations in an "atypical combination," several more mutations than omicron, which has 37, according to a preprint study that has not yet been peer-reviewed.

    According to this study, the two already known spike protein mutations N501Y and E484K are also found in the new corona variant. The N501Y mutation, for example, was detected very early in the alpha variant. It causes the pathogen to bind more strongly to human cells and thus to spread more easily in the body.

    E484K is one of the escape mutations located directly in the spike protein and thus probably affects the COVID vaccines' effectiveness.

    Little known about danger and origin

    But what these mutations mean and whether the new coronavirus variant B.1.640.2 is actually more contagious than the original SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot yet be said with any real confidence, due to the lack of available data and the small number of cases.

    We do not yet know anything about the origin of this new variant either. The fact that B.1.640.2 has now been detected for the first time in a returnee from Cameroon does not mean that the variant has also emerged in the central African country.

    However, very low vaccination rates generally favor the emergence of new coronavirus mutations. In Cameroon, only 2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, USA.

    As long as the vaccination campaign isn't advanced globally, new variants will always develop somewhere. Sometimes they are more harmless, sometimes more dangerous. It remains to be seen what this new variant will be.


    Possible reasons for milder omicron course

    We already know that the omicron variant is much more contagious and spreads rapidly around the world. But at the same time, the courses are much milder in most patients. There are more and more studies confirming this.

    It is also gradually becoming clearer what factors are at work here.

    The T cells of vaccinated and recovered persons react to omicron, thus protecting most infected persons from a severe course of COVID-19.

    It is true that the mutations in omicron have altered the spike protein so much that the antibodies produced by previous infection or vaccination are no longer as protective.

    But the acquired immune response by the T cells still works in 70 to 80% of cases, similar to the older beta and delta variants, researchers from Cape Town, South Africa, found. The T cells of vaccinated and recovered patients recognized omicron nearly as well as the original Wuhan variant, the group concluded.

    Omicron attacks the lungs less severely

    In addition, the omicron variant attacks the lungs much less frequently, researchers from Japan and the United States found in animal studies.
    Instead, the omicron variant is more likely to attack the upper respiratory tract, such as the nose, throat and trachea, according to the study, which also has not yet been peer-reviewed. The viral load in the noses of hamsters and mice infected with omicron was just as high as with earlier mutations. But in the lungs, the viral load and thus the damage was significantly smaller.

    In mid-December, researchers at the University of Hong Kong came to very similar conclusions. They found that although the omicron variant infects the bronchus up to 70 times faster than the delta variant did and multiplies there, it spreads up to ten times less in the actual lung tissue.

    Fewer patients need artificial respiration

    These research findings are in line with observations from Great Britain. There, too, the highly contagious omicron variant is causing a sharp rise in the number of infections. But at the same time, the statistical risk of having to be treated in hospital is reduced by a third compared with the delta variant. The number of patients requiring artificial respiration is also largely unchanged despite the significantly higher infection rate with omicron.

    That's a reason for hope. But is not the all-clear. The significantly higher case numbers are a major challenge for the overburdened healthcare systems. And those who have not yet been vaccinated or have recovered from a previous COVID infection can fall seriously ill if they contract the omicron variant.

    First "Flurona" case in Israel

    Meanwhile, in Israel, a 31-year-old pregnant woman has contracted corona and the seasonal flu virus at the same time. It is the world's first registered "Flurona" case, a neologism composed of flu and corona.

    The pregnant woman has been revaccinated and is only mildly ill, according to the Israeli Ministry of Health. Because Israel has seen a sharp increase in flu infections in recent weeks, the Health Ministry is investigating the case to see if "flurona" is causing more severe illness.

    Israel has seen a particularly dramatic increase in severe flu cases this winter. According to the Times of Israel, nearly 2,000 people had to be hospitalized with influenza by the end of 2021. Health authorities fear that with such a strong flu wave, there could be many more cases of double infections coming.

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    • bsm2
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      • Feb 2008
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      #11927
      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

      Mask UP

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      • slimslob
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        #11928
        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

        Horowitz: 6 important COVID data points that destroy the prevailing narrative - TheBlaze

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        • Phil B.
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          • Jul 2016
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          #11929
          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
          ... I was both afraid of this and not surprised by this.

          Conventional thinking about pandemics suggests they last globally about three years. That was based upon past pandemic experience from decades ago.

          Since then people are much more easily able to quickly travel long distances and this variant has already mutated many more times than past pandemic infections.


          Just when we thought things were looking up at least a little, because the omicron variant, while being more contagious, often takes a milder course than delta, a new variant emerged. We do not yet know how dangerous it is or where it originated.


          Even more mutations than omicron

          This new mutant, called B.1.640.2, has 46 mutations in an "atypical combination," several more mutations than omicron, which has 37, according to a preprint study that has not yet been peer-reviewed.

          According to this study, the two already known spike protein mutations N501Y and E484K are also found in the new corona variant. The N501Y mutation, for example, was detected very early in the alpha variant. It causes the pathogen to bind more strongly to human cells and thus to spread more easily in the body.

          E484K is one of the escape mutations located directly in the spike protein and thus probably affects the COVID vaccines' effectiveness.

          Little known about danger and origin

          But what these mutations mean and whether the new coronavirus variant B.1.640.2 is actually more contagious than the original SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot yet be said with any real confidence, due to the lack of available data and the small number of cases.

          We do not yet know anything about the origin of this new variant either. The fact that B.1.640.2 has now been detected for the first time in a returnee from Cameroon does not mean that the variant has also emerged in the central African country.

          However, very low vaccination rates generally favor the emergence of new coronavirus mutations. In Cameroon, only 2.4% of the population is fully vaccinated, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, USA.

          As long as the vaccination campaign isn't advanced globally, new variants will always develop somewhere. Sometimes they are more harmless, sometimes more dangerous. It remains to be seen what this new variant will be.


          Possible reasons for milder omicron course

          We already know that the omicron variant is much more contagious and spreads rapidly around the world. But at the same time, the courses are much milder in most patients. There are more and more studies confirming this.

          It is also gradually becoming clearer what factors are at work here.

          The T cells of vaccinated and recovered persons react to omicron, thus protecting most infected persons from a severe course of COVID-19.

          It is true that the mutations in omicron have altered the spike protein so much that the antibodies produced by previous infection or vaccination are no longer as protective.

          But the acquired immune response by the T cells still works in 70 to 80% of cases, similar to the older beta and delta variants, researchers from Cape Town, South Africa, found. The T cells of vaccinated and recovered patients recognized omicron nearly as well as the original Wuhan variant, the group concluded.

          Omicron attacks the lungs less severely

          In addition, the omicron variant attacks the lungs much less frequently, researchers from Japan and the United States found in animal studies.
          Instead, the omicron variant is more likely to attack the upper respiratory tract, such as the nose, throat and trachea, according to the study, which also has not yet been peer-reviewed. The viral load in the noses of hamsters and mice infected with omicron was just as high as with earlier mutations. But in the lungs, the viral load and thus the damage was significantly smaller.

          In mid-December, researchers at the University of Hong Kong came to very similar conclusions. They found that although the omicron variant infects the bronchus up to 70 times faster than the delta variant did and multiplies there, it spreads up to ten times less in the actual lung tissue.

          Fewer patients need artificial respiration

          These research findings are in line with observations from Great Britain. There, too, the highly contagious omicron variant is causing a sharp rise in the number of infections. But at the same time, the statistical risk of having to be treated in hospital is reduced by a third compared with the delta variant. The number of patients requiring artificial respiration is also largely unchanged despite the significantly higher infection rate with omicron.

          That's a reason for hope. But is not the all-clear. The significantly higher case numbers are a major challenge for the overburdened healthcare systems. And those who have not yet been vaccinated or have recovered from a previous COVID infection can fall seriously ill if they contract the omicron variant.

          First "Flurona" case in Israel

          Meanwhile, in Israel, a 31-year-old pregnant woman has contracted corona and the seasonal flu virus at the same time. It is the world's first registered "Flurona" case, a neologism composed of flu and corona.

          The pregnant woman has been revaccinated and is only mildly ill, according to the Israeli Ministry of Health. Because Israel has seen a sharp increase in flu infections in recent weeks, the Health Ministry is investigating the case to see if "flurona" is causing more severe illness.

          Israel has seen a particularly dramatic increase in severe flu cases this winter. According to the Times of Israel, nearly 2,000 people had to be hospitalized with influenza by the end of 2021. Health authorities fear that with such a strong flu wave, there could be many more cases of double infections coming.
          Were you not the one that called bullshit when I said Omnicron was less severe but spreads quicker?

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          • SalesServiceGuy
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            #11930
            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

            Originally posted by Phil B.
            Were you not the one that called bullshit when I said Omnicron was less severe but spreads quicker?

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            ... it is impossible to keep track of your BS! You pile it on so fast and high everyday that you can't even spell the word right once corrected.

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            • bsm2
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              • Feb 2008
              • 30210

              #11931
              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

              President Biden announced Tuesday that the U.S. will buy 20 million courses of Pfizer's COVID antiviral pill Paxlovid, effectively doubling its previous order of 10 million.

              Why it matters: Data released by Pfizer in December showed that the pill reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% in high-risk adults.

              The pill was also granted emergency use authorization by the Food and Drug Administration late last month.
              In a statement on Twitter, the president lauded the pills as a "game-changer" in fighting the pandemic.

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              • Phil B.
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                • Jul 2016
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                #11932
                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                Originally posted by bsm2
                President Biden announced Tuesday that the U.S. will buy 20 million courses of Pfizer's COVID antiviral pill Paxlovid, effectively doubling its previous order of 10 million.

                Why it matters: Data released by Pfizer in December showed that the pill reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by 89% in high-risk adults.

                The pill was also granted emergency use authorization by the Food and Drug Administration late last month.
                In a statement on Twitter, the president lauded the pills as a "game-changer" in fighting the pandemic.
                And the shots from Pfizer were supposed to be 92% effective..but later it dropped to 45% effective.
                The government and big pharma are lying to us and people are dying because of it.

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                • bsm2
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                  #11933
                  Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    #11934
                    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                    Originally posted by Phil B.
                    And the shots from Pfizer were supposed to be 92% effective..but later it dropped to 45% effective.
                    The government and big pharma are lying to us and people are dying because of it.

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                    Since the vaccines have been released, covid is more widespread than ever. Biden took a victory lap early on. He looks like a fool. And so do the liberals on this site who said that they couldn't spread it because they were vaccinated. No telling how many folks they infected.
                    Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                    • Phil B.
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                      #11935
                      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      Since the vaccines have been released, covid is more widespread than ever. Biden took a victory lap early on. He looks like a fool. And so do the liberals on this site who said that they couldn't spread it because they were vaccinated. No telling how many folks they infected.
                      True, but what killed 12 TIMES humans in the USA this past year and it's NOT COVID?

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                      • slimslob
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                        #11936
                        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                        Originally posted by Phil B.
                        True, but what killed 12 TIMES humans in the USA this past year and it's NOT COVID?

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                        Abortion

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                        • BillyCarpenter
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                          #11937
                          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                          Do you know what trips me out? I'm being honest here. No bullshit.


                          The liberals on this site have been consistently wrong on everything from masks to the vaxed not being able to spread covid. If I had been that wrong, I think I'd stop preaching to other folks about covid. But not them. They doubled down. It's crazy.
                          Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            #11938
                            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                            Originally posted by Phil B.
                            And the shots from Pfizer were supposed to be 92% effective..but later it dropped to 45% effective.
                            The government and big pharma are lying to us and people are dying because of it.

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                            ... the global medical science community is making their best efforts using the world's most advanced computing capabilities to win the war against COVID. It has never been about one gov't, one politician or one big pharma company.

                            COVID is a moving target that continually mutates. The COVID of today is more virulent and not the same as the COVID of a year ago.

                            While it is easy to blame and throw stones at President Biden, the real work is being done by the highly competent and experienced medical professionals he has put into positions of authority not beholden to any political agenda.

                            Please provide any link that shows that the Pfizer vaccine has dropped to 45% effective?

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                            • Phil B.
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                              #11939
                              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                              Originally posted by slimslob
                              Abortion
                              We have a winner!

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                              • Phil B.
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                                #11940
                                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                                Do you know what trips me out? I'm being honest here. No bullshit.


                                The liberals on this site have been consistently wrong on everything from masks to the vaxed not being able to spread covid. If I had been that wrong, I think I'd stop preaching to other folks about covid. But not them. They doubled down. It's crazy.
                                Well so did their feckless leader Biden.
                                Then when he found out the feds couldn't handle the task, he shoved it off on the states.

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