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  • progoffice
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    #5026
    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

    Originally posted by copier addict
    Just pointing out how silly both sides are. As I stated before many times. Politicians are all assholes and care nothing about the people who elect them.
    Trying to pretend one is better than another is just plain RIDICULOUS!!!!!
    That's why you have to take care of yourself and not depend on the government to do so. It sounds like you're in agreement.

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    • Copier Addict
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      #5027
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      Sure dude. You are just pissed because I'm right. You overlooked donny boy's strange and disgusting behavior because you like to think he is on your team. Well look what your team is doing now. Just because the Dems want to implement policy that doesn't directly give money to the ultra rich they are doing everything they can to block it. That must make you sooo proud of your team. Lol

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      • Copier Addict
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        #5028
        Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

        Originally posted by progoffice
        That's why you have to take care of yourself and not depend on the government to do so. It sounds like you're in agreement.
        If I'm agreeing that it's the government's job to help people in need and not make the rich richer, then I'm in agreement.

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        • progoffice
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          #5029
          Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

          Originally posted by copier addict
          If I'm agreeing that it's the government's job to help people in need and not make the rich richer, then I'm in agreement.
          So you're saying it's the government's job to make sure a successful person or business can't become any more successful? The role of a government shouldn't be to determine how rich or poor a person can become. Just because someone gets richer doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. Should we help the poor? Yes, but only under requirements that they are also trying to help themselves along the way - not just give them someone else's hard earned money. Should there be laws to prevent the rich from becoming richer illegally? Yes, but to simply take from the "rich" because someone else is poor is just not right. A lot of "rich" people got that way through hard work, why punish them for it?

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          • SalesServiceGuy
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            #5030
            Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

            Originally posted by progoffice
            So you're saying it's the government's job to make sure a successful person or business can't become any more successful? The role of a government shouldn't be to determine how rich or poor a person can become. Just because someone gets richer doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. Should we help the poor? Yes, but only under requirements that they are also trying to help themselves along the way - not just give them someone else's hard earned money. Should there be laws to prevent the rich from becoming richer illegally? Yes, but to simply take from the "rich" because someone else is poor is just not right. A lot of "rich" people got that way through hard work, why punish them for it?
            So you're saying it's the government's job to make sure a successful person or business can't become any more successful? No.

            Should we help the poor? Yes, but only under requirements that they are also trying to help themselves along the way - not just give them someone else's hard earned money? Poor people often have mental or physical disabilities. Poor people often live in an area where there they is little economic opportunity except perhaps a life of crime. All gov'ts attempt to give poor people an advantage to help lift themselves out of poverty.

            The USA has a very wide spread between the wealthy and the poor mostly at the expense of the shrinking middle class.

            A lot of "rich" people got that way through hard work, why punish them for it? ... every gov't has the right to tax it citizens in a fair and equitable way. For a wealthy person to pay 5% more in taxes has little impact on their lifestyle. For a poor person, a 5% increase in taxes might mean they cannot pay their utility bill that month. Rich people often use tax loopholes to hold onto their wealth. President Biden's plan is to close many of those loopholes so that these people pay their fair share.

            Prime example is the ex President. Is it really fair that he paid $750.00 in taxes last year? It is well documented that he has evaded paying millions of $ in taxes for most of his life. This tax evasion will soon land him in court against the IRS.

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            • bsm2
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              #5031
              Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

              Originally posted by progoffice
              So you're saying it's the government's job to make sure a successful person or business can't become any more successful? The role of a government shouldn't be to determine how rich or poor a person can become. Just because someone gets richer doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. Should we help the poor? Yes, but only under requirements that they are also trying to help themselves along the way - not just give them someone else's hard earned money. Should there be laws to prevent the rich from becoming richer illegally? Yes, but to simply take from the "rich" because someone else is poor is just not right. A lot of "rich" people got that way through hard work, why punish them for it?
              YOUR missing the point Do YOU think Amazon or FEDEX should pay ZERO taxes? Because they make alot of money?

              Do you think a Billionaire should pay less in taxes than a school teacher?

              Pay THEIR FAIR SHARE
              Last edited by bsm2; 10-01-2021, 04:17 PM.

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              • progoffice
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                #5032
                Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                Originally posted by bsm2
                YOUR missing the point Do YOU think Amazon or FEDEX should pay ZERO taxes? Because they make alot of money?

                Do you think a Billionaire should pay less in taxes than a school teacher?

                Pay THEIR FAIR SHARE
                Fair is a subjective word, but if you apply it to a flat tax rate then everyone pays the same amount of taxes in relation to their income. If this isn't "fair" then I don't know what is. It would sure make doing your taxes every year easier too!

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                • bsm2
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                  #5033
                  Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                  Originally posted by progoffice
                  Fair is a subjective word, but if you apply it to a flat tax rate then everyone pays the same amount of taxes in relation to their income. If this isn't "fair" then I don't know what is. It would sure make doing your taxes every year easier too!
                  Flat tax option is not on the table Republicans only support low taxes or no taxes on the Rich nothing fair about that.

                  When You pay more in taxes than Amazon

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                  • Copier Addict
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                    #5034
                    Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                    Originally posted by progoffice
                    So you're saying it's the government's job to make sure a successful person or business can't become any more successful? The role of a government shouldn't be to determine how rich or poor a person can become. Just because someone gets richer doesn't mean someone else gets poorer. Should we help the poor? Yes, but only under requirements that they are also trying to help themselves along the way - not just give them someone else's hard earned money. Should there be laws to prevent the rich from becoming richer illegally? Yes, but to simply take from the "rich" because someone else is poor is just not right. A lot of "rich" people got that way through hard work, why punish them for it?
                    No, I'm saying the exact opposite. It is not the job of the government to ensure the rich get richer. If one gets wealthy through hard work, great. However the field should NOT be tilted in their favour! Every time a conservative government gets into power the first thing they always do is give the ultra rich tax breaks. It's completely predictable and utterly unethical.

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                    • progoffice
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                      #5035
                      Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                      Originally posted by copier addict
                      No, I'm saying the exact opposite. It is not the job of the government to ensure the rich get richer. If one gets wealthy through hard work, great. However the field should NOT be tilted in their favour! Every time a conservative government gets into power the first thing they always do is give the ultra rich tax breaks. It's completely predictable and utterly unethical.
                      Who pays taxes and how much is one thing, but how that money is spent once it's taken from those that earned it is another. If our money was spent wisely and not on things like tree equity, we'd probably all be better off. As far as getting richer, it's the product of wisely saving money over time and compounding interest. You don't have to be rich to retire that way if you just work hard, save and invest. If our government spent money like it was their own they probably wouldn't spend it like they do.

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                      • slimslob
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                        #5036
                        Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                        Originally posted by progoffice
                        If our government spent money like it was their own they probably wouldn't spend it like they do.
                        I disagree. Most governments think it is their money and they can spend it however the fuck they want.

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                        • SalesServiceGuy
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                          #5037
                          Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                          Originally posted by slimslob
                          I disagree. Most governments think it is their money and they can spend it however the fuck they want.
                          Basic western democracy. The gov't in power usually gets to spend the people's money the way the gov't feels is best.

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                          • slimslob
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                            #5038
                            Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                            A Startling Prophecy - 2007 Movie Proves To Be Prescient - MUST WATCH ! Pay close attention from the 20 second point to the 1:23 point.


                            In 2007, Robert Redford directed the film Lions for Lambs, starring Meryl Streep, but a Republican senator played by Tom Cruise made a stunning prediction which was supposed to sound subversive back then, but which came true in 2021.
                            Freaking Hit The Nail On The Head

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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #5039
                              Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                              Originally posted by slimslob
                              A Startling Prophecy - 2007 Movie Proves To Be Prescient - MUST WATCH ! Pay close attention from the 20 second point to the 1:23 point.


                              In 2007, Robert Redford directed the film Lions for Lambs, starring Meryl Streep, but a Republican senator played by Tom Cruise made a stunning prediction which was supposed to sound subversive back then, but which came true in 2021.
                              Freaking Hit The Nail On The Head

                              It shows what most people have been saying since the withdrawal. It wouldn't have mattered how long the occupation lasted, the results would have been the same. Unfortunate but true.

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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                #5040
                                Re: The Shining City Upon a Hill

                                Originally posted by copier addict
                                It shows what most people have been saying since the withdrawal. It wouldn't have mattered how long the occupation lasted, the results would have been the same. Unfortunate but true.

                                Wrong. We (USA and it's allies) lack the will to do what is necessary to win.
                                Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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