Maryland Man

[Mako]

[Copier Addict]

Why do you support them illegally entering my country to begin with? What part of illegal DON'T you understand? How about we round them all up and send them to Canada?

Stop being dishonest. I don't "support" illegal immigration. But, they are human beings simply looking for a better place to live. They deserve to be treated like human beings. If they are to be deported, so be it. But how is sending them all to an El Salvadoran prison humane? How can you look in the mirror and say to yourself that is okay?

[Mako]

Stop being dishonest. I don't "support" illegal immigration. But, they are human beings simply looking for a better place to live. They deserve to be treated like human beings. If they are to be deported, so be it. But how is sending them all to an El Salvadoran prison humane? How can you look in the mirror and say to yourself that is okay?

These are the worst of the worst. These are people who are gang members and criminals who've all had encounters with our law enforcement. I have no problem with it whatsoever.

[slimslob]

Originally posted by Copier Addict


Stop being dishonest. I don't "support" illegal immigration. But, they are human beings simply looking for a better place to live. They deserve to be treated like human beings. If they are to be deported, so be it. But how is sending them all to an El Salvadoran prison humane? How can you look in the mirror and say to yourself that is okay?

It sounds like what you do support is hardened criminals running free to commit more atrocities. They may be humans but they are also criminals that belong prisons. As an American tax payer I should not have to pay the cost of incarcerating illegal aliens when they are also wanted by their country of origin for crimes that they committed there..

[Mako]

I wonder if the democrat party will pay for Maryland Man to have tattoo removal so they can present him as the model citizen they want to portray him as?

[Copier Addict]

It sounds like what you do support is hardened criminals running free to commit more atrocities. They may be humans but they are also criminals that belong prisons. As an American tax payer I should not have to pay the cost of incarcerating illegal aliens when they are also wanted by their country of origin for crimes that they committed there..

If you believe that every person that was kidnapped and trafficked to El Salvador is a hardened criminal, you are even more gullible than I thought.
The issue isn't whether or not there are hardened criminals roaming. The issue is that you are condoning trumpy's flagrant violation of the constitution. In fact he is wiping his ass with it while you, a constitutional absolutist, are cheering him on. How do you square that circle?

[Copier Addict]

I wonder if the democrat party will pay for Maryland Man to have tattoo removal so they can present him as the model citizen they want to portray him as?

So, tattoos indicate a person's model citizenness? Are you being serious? Most of the people I know have at least one tattoo. And I'm sure it's the same with you. Are they not model citizens?

[Mako]

So, tattoos indicate a person's model citizenness? Are you being serious? Most of the people I know have at least one tattoo. And I'm sure it's the same with you. Are they not model citizens?

I'm sure you're aware that certain tattoos indicate membership in criminal gangs? Are you pretending to be stupid or are you just being intellectually dishonest? Has to be one or the other.

[slimslob]

I'm sure you're aware that certain tattoos indicate membership in criminal gangs? Are you pretending to be stupid or are you just being intellectually dishonest? Has to be one or the other.

Actually with CA it is probably both.

[Copier Addict]

I'm sure you're aware that certain tattoos indicate membership in criminal gangs? Are you pretending to be stupid or are you just being intellectually dishonest? Has to be one or the other.

Neither.
The fact that someone has a tattoo, gang related or otherwise, isn't an indication of that person's current status.
Even if Garcia has such a tattoo it doesn't mean his life hasn't changed. He was legally in the country. He was working. He has a family. He was paying taxes. Isn't that the republican definition of a productive member of society?
Either way, that isn't the issue and you know it. Every person is guaranteed due process. Your constitution says that. Why are you suddenly against the constitution?

[Mako]

QUOTE=Copier Addict

Neither.
The fact that someone has a tattoo, gang related or otherwise, isn't an indication of that person's current status.

LOL!!!!!!!

Even if Garcia has such a tattoo

Actually he does have MS13 Tatts.


it doesn't mean his life hasn't changed.

Would you take that chance and house him in your own home?

He was legally in the country.

He admitted in court documents that he entered the country illegally as reported by CNN and that's all that matters.



He was working.

As a drug dealer and human trafficker with a side of stealing construction jobs from American citizens. If it was up to me, anyone who knowingly employs an illegal would be arrested and criminally charged.

He has a family.

That he physically and mentally abuses according to CNN's reporting.


He was paying taxes.

On drug dealing, human trafficking and most likely under the table construction work? Can you prove this claim?

Isn't that the republican definition of a productive member of society?

No its not. Its some sort of crazy rationalization you've come up with.

Either way, that isn't the issue and you know it. Every person is guaranteed due process.

Deportation is due process. That's the risk you take when you illegally enter and become a squatter in another country.


Your constitution says that. Why are you suddenly against the constitution?

My constitution says we are a nation of laws. Why do you want the legal immigration process circumvented by criminals?

[slimslob]

Your constitution says that. Why are you suddenly against the constitution?

Let's look at the Constitution starting where it starts, The Preamble:

Constitution of the United States
The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"We the People of the United States" means the legal citizens of the United States.
"to ourselves and our Posterity" once again is talking about the legal citizens of the United States.
Well there is no mention of illegal aliens in the preamble. Even the ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION which superseded the Constitution makes no mention.

Fourteenth Amendment was passed and ratified and defines exactly who is a citizen of the United States.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
State wherein they reside.

Any person that has entered this country illegally has already proven that they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

[Copier Addict]

QUOTE=Copier Addict

Neither.
The fact that someone has a tattoo, gang related or otherwise, isn't an indication of that person's current status.

LOL!!!!!!!

Even if Garcia has such a tattoo

Actually he does have MS13 Tatts.


it doesn't mean his life hasn't changed.

Would you take that chance and house him in your own home?

He was legally in the country.

He admitted in court documents that he entered the country illegally as reported by CNN and that's all that matters.



He was working.

As a drug dealer and human trafficker with a side of stealing construction jobs from American citizens. If it was up to me, anyone who knowingly employs an illegal would be arrested and criminally charged.

He has a family.

That he physically and mentally abuses according to CNN's reporting.


He was paying taxes.

On drug dealing, human trafficking and most likely under the table construction work? Can you prove this claim?

Isn't that the republican definition of a productive member of society?

No its not. Its some sort of crazy rationalization you've come up with.

Either way, that isn't the issue and you know it. Every person is guaranteed due process.

Deportation is due process. That's the risk you take when you illegally enter and become a squatter in another country.


Your constitution says that. Why are you suddenly against the constitution?

My constitution says we are a nation of laws. Why do you want the legal immigration process circumvented by criminals?

Hey, you do you.
You know Garcia was granted temporary status. Which means he was in your country legally, regardless of how he entered. He was also working legally. So your outrage at his being hired is misplaced.

Please give us your definition of a productive member of society.

[Copier Addict]

Let's look at the Constitution starting where it starts, The Preamble:

Constitution of the United States
The Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"We the People of the United States" means the legal citizens of the United States.
"to ourselves and our Posterity" once again is talking about the legal citizens of the United States.
Well there is no mention of illegal aliens in the preamble. Even the ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION which superseded the Constitution makes no mention.

Fourteenth Amendment was passed and ratified and defines exactly who is a citizen of the United States.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
State wherein they reside.

Any person that has entered this country illegally has already proven that they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

And I thought you were a constitutional expert. I was so wrong.
No wonder you aren't concerned with trumpy tearing it up.


"The Constitution protects all people living in the United States, regardless of immigration status. Most constitutional provisions apply based on personhood, not citizenship. In other words, if an individual is physically present in the US, they are entitled to the protections granted by the Constitution. This includes the right to due process and equal protection under the law.

The Fifth Amendment, for example, states that “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” And the Fourteenth Amendment uses the Due Process Clause that describes the legal obligation of all state governments to provide equal protection of the laws to all persons, regardless of immigration status. So while undocumented immigrants are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, they are still protected by its principles."

[Mako]

"However, Abrego-Garcia, who entered the U.S. illegally in 2011, remained in the country unlawfully despite being issued a deportation order back in 2019.

Prince George's County Police Gang Unit identified Abrego-Garcia as a member of the notorious Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) gang in 2019, according to Homeland Security Investigations (HSI). The HSI report also noted that Abrego-Garcia was suspected of human trafficking after a Tennessee Highway Patrol trooper encountered him in December 2022.

According to the HSI report, on Dec. 1, 2022, a Tennessee Highway Patrol trooper stopped Abrego-Garcia after he was "observed speeding," and noticed eight individuals in the vehicle, but no luggage. Abrego-Garcia said he began driving three days prior from Houston, Texas, to Temple Hills, Md., so the individuals could "perform construction work." Additionally, the individuals in the car reportedly gave the same address as Abrego-Garica's home. The report states that the trooper suspected it was a human trafficking incident."