Are republicans winning?

[Phil B.]

Re: Are republicans winning?

No matter what you were taught in Canada, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. The founders were, to a man, Christians, Jews or deists, mostly Christians. There is also nothing in our constitution calling for separation of church and state, contrary to popular belief, that statement came from a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association when they were concerned that there would be a national religion. At the time several states had official state religions, a situation that was considered normal and, to some, even desirable. There is also no call at this time to require everyone to become religious, although it would be nice if religions would not be targeted by the government for lawsuits concerning things like health care. Please get your facts straight before you make claims like this.

Except for there will be no, national required religion.
EX: England from where we fled.

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[Phil B.]

Re: Are republicans winning?

Only when the courts make their decisions based on politics.

Hmmm... but things are changing back to a more Constitution based decisions.

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[Copier Addict]

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That's interesting. You must really frown upon Islam. And if I'm not mistaken, you have more than a few Muslim political leaders in Canada. I know because I've seen them with a towel wrapped around their head.

Is Islam a religion? To me all organised religions are cults. That includes both of the two major religions, christianity and Islam.

[slimslob]

Re: Are republicans winning?

Of course.
But it's not like only religious people have morals. Sometimes, in all honesty, it seems just the opposite.
Also, one doesn't need religion to know it's wrong to kill someone else.

Man is by nature sinful and unclean and has fallen short of the Grace of GOD. I can believe what I want and when it comes to an end I will lose nothing but will gain eternity. You can believe otherwise, and BTW in believing you have a religion, but in the end you gain nothing but lose everything. And where do you think morale standards and the knowledge that it is wrong to kill comes from? Answer, religious beliefs.

[Phil B.]

Re: Are republicans winning?

Sorry Slim, neither of those choices are religions

One is the void of religion, and atheists believe that is a religion.

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[BillyCarpenter]

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Is Islam a religion? To me all organised religions are cults. That includes both of the two major religions, christianity and Islam.

Now you're being less than honest. All religions are not the same and shouldn't be looked at the same way. The fact that you placed Christianity and Islam under the same umbrella tells me a lot about you.

[Phil B.]

Re: Are republicans winning?

Of course.
But it's not like only religious people have morals. Sometimes, in all honesty, it seems just the opposite.
Also, one doesn't need religion to know it's wrong to kill someone else.

Finally I find something to agree upon.

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[Phil B.]

Re: Are republicans winning?

The problem with your argument is that there is a religion that you do believe in, the religion of government. You argue that government should be the god that controls all, business, our healthcare, our electric grid, everything. If that's not worship of a higher power, then what is it?

He's from Canada. Forgive him for his faults... naw go ahead.

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[Copier Addict]

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Now you're being less than honest. All religions are not the same and shouldn't be looked at the same way. The fact that you placed Christianity and Islam under the same umbrella tells me a lot about you.

They ALL have their cultlike rituals. Most demand you believe in one Almighty being or person. Yup, cults. Have you ever been to a Catholic wedding? Sheesh, if that ain't a cult, I don't know what is

[slimslob]

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Understood. I'm just saying that if a good idea is brought to the table that we shouldn't dismiss it because it's based on religious teachings. So, in conclusion, I would ask that you amend your statement that says religion has no place in government.

Actually government has no place in religion. Remember, the US Constitution is primarily a document that restricts what government, especially the federal government, and not the citizens. So when the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" it means just that. It is a restriction on what Congress can do. At the time the Bill of Rights was written, America had just thrown off the rule of the British Crown. And at that time according to the British Crown all British Citizen were required to join the Church of England of which the Crown was the head. Most of the original settlers, the Pilgrims and the Puritans left Europe to escape religious persecution.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Are republicans winning?

Actually government has no place in religion. Remember, the US Constitution is primarily a document that restricts what government, especially the federal government, and not the citizens. So when the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" it means just that. It is a restriction on what Congress can do. At the time the Bill of Rights was written, America had just thrown off the rule of the British Crown. And at that time according to the British Crown all British Citizen were required to join the Church of England of which the Crown was the head. Most of the original settlers, the Pilgrims and the Puritans left Europe to escape religious persecution.

And create their own religious persecution.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Are republicans winning?

They ALL have their cultlike rituals. Most demand you believe in one Almighty being or person. Yup, cults. Have you ever been to a Catholic wedding? Sheesh, if that ain't a cult, I don't know what is

You can play all the games you want but Christianity has no ISIS. It's clear that you hate religion and the religion that you hate most is Christianity.

[slimslob]

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What I said first is religion should not have a controlling interest in government.

No that is not exactly what you said. Here is the exact quote of what you said, "a country where the politicians want religion to have a controlling interest is not good either"Now you have dropped out the term politicians and that greatly changes the meaning.

I remember when John Fitzgerald Kennedy first start his campaign to become President, there were those both Democrat and Republican who opposed him simply because he was a Catholic and they claimed that if he was elected, the Vatican would be running America. Guess what, it didn't happen.

[Copier Addict]

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You can play all the games you want but Christianity has no ISIS. It's clear that you hate religion and the religion that you hate most is Christianity.

Oh well, it was good while it lasted. You almost completed an entire adult conversation. You definitely get a gold star for the effort.
See ya.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Are republicans winning?

No that is not exactly what you said. Here is the exact quote of what you said, "a country where the politicians want religion to have a controlling interest is not good either"Now you have dropped out the term politicians and that greatly changes the meaning.

I remember when John Fitzgerald Kennedy first start his campaign to become President, there were those both Democrat and Republican who opposed him simply because he was a Catholic and they claimed that if he was elected, the Vatican would be running America. Guess what, it didn't happen.

Okay slim. It's obvious you haven't listened to Greene or Bobert speak.