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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Re: NATO question.

    Originally posted by avecosat
    Spain has been a member of NATO since 1982, providing bases and support to the US army. We have participated in wars created by you against the majority opinion of the people (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...) to be partners in the coalition, including some thermoatomic bomb dropped from your planes. Our economic contribution may not be the necessary compared to yours but believe me that we need each other to fight against communism and Islamist terrorism among other evils.
    If you want more information about the nuclear incident that your planes carried out in my country and of which we were complacent allies and friends.
    Incidente de Palomares - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre


    First things first. You're off-topic with your anti-USA rhetoric. It's got nothing to do with this thread that I started. All I want to know is how much does Spain spend on it's military? I know the answer. And the answer is that your country has been neglecting your national defense and relying way too much on the USA. Don't get offended. Do the right thing and pay your fair share.


    For reference:

    NATO leaders agreed at a summit held in Madrid last week to expand their efforts to get all alliance members up to the 2% of GDP mark.


    Spain pledged at a NATO summit held in Madrid last week that it would reach the 2% of GDP goal by 2029. That would mean doubling its budget for military spending from the current 13 billion euros ($13.4 billion) to 26 billion euros ($27 billion) in seven years.

    Spain has been free-loading, bro. But they aren't alone. Many countries have been screwing the USA.
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    • slimslob
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      Not all European countries are failing to contribute the agreed 2% of their GDP. We should therefore avoid throwing them all in the same basket.
      NATO Spending by Country 2023

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      • BillyCarpenter
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        Originally posted by slimslob
        Not all European countries are failing to contribute the agreed 2% of their GDP. We should therefore avoid throwing them all in the same basket.
        NATO Spending by Country 2023

        I, for one, haven't thrown any countries together. I clearly posted that there's 9 countries that are at least paying 2%. The USA spends 3.3% of GDP on our military. When the shit hits the fan, many of the countries in NATO aren't prepared. I think its bullshit and should be called out. I don't care who it is.
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        • slimslob
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          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
          I, for one, haven't thrown any countries together. I clearly posted that there's 9 countries that are at least paying 2%. The USA spends 3.3% of GDP on our military. When the shit hits the fan, many of the countries in NATO aren't prepared. I think its bullshit and should be called out. I don't care who it is.
          Read your initial post to this thread.

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Originally posted by slimslob
            Read your initial post to this thread.

            That had nothing to do with the 2%. None of those other countries can defend themselves from a country like China or Russia. The USA is the only country capable of defeating either. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I can accept that but what I can't accept is the countries that don't pay at least 2%. They are putting lives at stake by not being prepared and it's not fair to those who are paying.


            Do you disagree with any of that?
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            • slimslob
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              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              That had nothing to do with the 2%. None of those other countries can defend themselves from a country like China or Russia. The USA is the only country capable of defeating either. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I can accept that but what I can't accept is the countries that don't pay at least 2%. They are putting lives at stake by not being prepared and it's not fair to those who are paying.


              Do you disagree with any of that?
              It had every thing to do with throwing them all in the same basket.

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Originally posted by slimslob
                It had every thing to do with throwing them all in the same basket.

                Slim, the only problem is that you're conflating 2 issues. I asked you a question. What part did you disagree with? You took exception to my initial post. What do you disagree with?
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                • slimslob
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                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                  Slim, the only problem is that you're conflating 2 issues. I asked you a question. What part did you disagree with? You took exception to my initial post. What do you disagree with?
                  You are starting to sound like copier addict. I keep calling you on lumping all of Europe together and you keep trying to deflect. Own up to the fact that your first post lumped them all together.

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    Originally posted by slimslob
                    You are starting to sound like copier addict. I keep calling you on lumping all of Europe together and you keep trying to deflect. Own up to the fact that your first post lumped them all together.

                    Hey,my man, it's you who is acting like copier addict by refusing to answer a simple question. I'll play along. Yes I lumped every country in NATO together in that NONE of them can protect themselves.


                    Are you gonna refuse to answer my question because I want you to tell me which of those countries can defend themselves against China or Russia? I don't think they can.
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                    • BillyCarpenter
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                      BTW slim, you need to pay attention. I did NOT lump any countries together concerning the 2% of GDP.

                      Here's your post:


                      Not all European countries are failing to contribute the agreed 2% of their GDP. We should therefore avoid throwing them all in the same basket.
                      NATO Spending by Country 2023
                      Show me where I did that. An apology is in order, don't you think?
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                      • Copier Addict
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                        #26
                        Re: NATO question.

                        Originally posted by slimslob
                        You are starting to sound like copier addict. I keep calling you on lumping all of Europe together and you keep trying to deflect. Own up to the fact that your first post lumped them all together.
                        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                        Hey,my man, it's you who is acting like copier addict by refusing to answer a simple question. I'll play along. Yes I lumped every country in NATO together in that NONE of them can protect themselves.


                        Are you gonna refuse to answer my question because I want you to tell me which of those countries can defend themselves against China or Russia? I don't think they can.

                        Nope. You are both sounding just like yourselves. Deflection from Billy, and projection from Slimeslop. Stop comparing each other to me.

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                        • BillyCarpenter
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                          Originally posted by copier addict
                          Nope. You are both sounding just like yourselves. Deflection from Billy, and projection from Slimeslop. Stop comparing each other to me.

                          Wrong again, dummy. Slim accused me of lumping all the NATO countries together concerning paying 2% of GDP. I never did that. I simply inferred that none of them can defend themselves. That's true.
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                            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                            Hey,my man, it's you who is acting like copier addict by refusing to answer a simple question. I'll play along. Yes I lumped every country in NATO together in that NONE of them can protect themselves.


                            Are you gonna refuse to answer my question because I want you to tell me which of those countries can defend themselves against China or Russia? I don't think they can.
                            And there you go deflecting again. Read your poets from the beginning of the thread, I just did. You made no mention of the 2% commitment until after I posted the link to it. You have in other posts but not in this post. And your initial question did not include "against China or Russia" The truth that most of them can do one hell of a lot better job of defending themselves from criminals than New York City or any other liberal ran city for that matter. So to answer your initial question, they can defend themselves in some situations.

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                            • slimslob
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                              Originally posted by copier addict
                              Nope. You are both sounding just like yourselves. Deflection from Billy, and projection from Slimeslop. Stop comparing each other to me.
                              Sorry dildo, he was acting exactly like you do when he tries to debate with you.

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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                Originally posted by slimslob
                                And there you go deflecting again. Read your poets from the beginning of the thread, I just did. You made no mention of the 2% commitment until after I posted the link to it. You have in other posts but not in this post. And your initial question did not include "against China or Russia" The truth that most of them can do one hell of a lot better job of defending themselves from criminals than New York City or any other liberal ran city for that matter. So to answer your initial question, they can defend themselves in some situations.

                                slim, I'm not arguing with you anymore. I know exactly what I said and what you accused me of. You're wrong. End of story. Good day.
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