Voting Rights Question

[blackcat4866]

Re: Voting Rights Question

Perhaps I'm thinking about it all wrong, but the whole argument seems aimed at diminishing the contribution of one group or another. It's pointless to assign who gave the most lives ... overall it was far far too many. Leave it at that.

I don't see how the outcome of this conversation can in any way enrich our existence in the present or future. =^..^=

[BillyCarpenter]

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Perhaps I'm thinking about it all wrong, but the whole argument seems aimed at diminishing the contribution of one group or another. It's pointless to assign who gave the most lives ... overall it was far far too many. Leave it at that.

I don't see how the outcome of this conversation can in any way enrich our existence in the present or future. =^..^=

Maybe this is just me. Maybe a little context is in order to understand the point that Peterson was attempting to make to the feminist.


We have to understand the times that we live in. We can turn to almost any news channel or social media site and we'll get bombarded by accusations that this group or that group is/was oppressed. And the oppressors are always men and white.

Can we agree on that?

Peterson was simply pointing out that that feminists and other groups are looking at slice in time but if you look at the bigger picture, those same white men were oppressed, murdered, enslaved, ect.


It doesn't change the suffering that women endured. I guess my question would be: At what point do we stop talking about history? If we can go all the way back to slavery...why not the Revolutionary War and before?

[BillyCarpenter]

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PS - Peterson didn't bring this up but I will. A big subject today are reparations. California is planning on giving every black person millions of dollars. Negotiations are ongoing on that. Do women need reparations, too? How exactly is that moving us forward? None of the slaves or slave owners are alive. That money will be coming from me and you and every other tax payer.

Is that moving us forward?

[Tricky]

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When did men gain the right to vote?

In what country?

As of England, from 1429 the right to vote was given to men aged 21 or over, owning freehold lands or tenements with an annual net value of 40 shillings or more. However, this was unfair as most working class were not eligible.

In 1774 Ignatius Sancho is the first known person of African descent to vote in a British general election. As an independent male property owner, with a house and grocery shop on Charles Street, he had the right to cast his vote for the Westminster Members of Parliament in the 1774 and 1780 elections.

1918 Representation of the People Act extends vote to all men over 21 and most women over 30

1969 Representation of the People Act extends vote to men and women over 18

[blackcat4866]

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As of England, from 1429 the right to vote was given to men aged 21 or over, owning freehold lands or tenements with an annual net value of 40 shillings or more. However, this was unfair as most working class were not eligible.

In 1774 Ignatius Sancho is the first known person of African descent to vote in a British general election. As an independent male property owner, with a house and grocery shop on Charles Street, he had the right to cast his vote for the Westminster Members of Parliament in the 1774 and 1780 elections.

1918 Representation of the People Act extends vote to all men over 21 and most women over 30

1969 Representation of the People Act extends vote to men and women over 18

Thank you for the UK perspective. I find it interesting that worldwide voting rights evolved in roughly the same time window.

I am not going to get lured into a discussion of how rich white men are oppressed. It's a little Trumpian isn't it? Poor poor Trump. Everybody picks on him. It doesn't really matter that's his crimes encompass 5 states now, does it?

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Voting Rights Question

As of England, from 1429 the right to vote was given to men aged 21 or over, owning freehold lands or tenements with an annual net value of 40 shillings or more. However, this was unfair as most working class were not eligible.

In 1774 Ignatius Sancho is the first known person of African descent to vote in a British general election. As an independent male property owner, with a house and grocery shop on Charles Street, he had the right to cast his vote for the Westminster Members of Parliament in the 1774 and 1780 elections.

1918 Representation of the People Act extends vote to all men over 21 and most women over 30

1969 Representation of the People Act extends vote to men and women over 18

Interesting hearing about voting rights from another country. The USA was a different place back when we were fighting for our independence and voting rights. The average white man earned less than a dollar a day...in today's money. They were very poor and life was hard.