How many brands are you expected to be good at?

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  • kwazimoto
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Jan 2007
    • 199

    #16
    we sell and service three brands of copiers,four brands of printers, wide format and riso.. yea it is alot of fun

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    • AyJayAreDii
      Technician

      50+ Posts
      • Jul 2010
      • 99

      #17
      I service Ricoh And KM. But rarely anything under 45 Cpm. mostly print shop machines etc Ricoh Pro c900s KM pro C6500. Our machines tend to have every finisher possible on them as well, so plotmatics and other CBS equipment I am always being asked to look at. Don't mind really. have a great team of engineers helping out each other. Well at least try and help...

      Originally posted by blackcat4866
      Like fixthecopier, I have worked on just about everything.

      Sure it can be scary, but I never walk in without a manual. And after 20 years, I haven't been totally stumped in a long time. Plus, I have the genius of all you guys & gals getting me through. A lot of it is attitude. Never give up (until it gets cost prohibitive).

      I can hardly imagine what it was like at the beginning: walking in with no experience and no idea what to do, just the guts to walk in dumb and try something. I guess things haven't changed as much as I thought. =^..^=
      I have been sent to machine with out any information at all. spending the first few minuets cleaning the covers trying to find the power switch conveniently places on the back cover when the printer is pushed against the wall. silly yes but I did not want to bee seen trying to find the switch. i have been sent to some old cannons which have been kept over from old companies. I have no manuals for these and I have been in the position where I know the problem and how to fix it... just need to enter service... O how do I do that? *mad rush through contact list finding someone who knows*

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      • Ducttape n Glue
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        • Apr 2010
        • 195

        #18
        Started in 1974 , the beginning of the copier introduction into the business world. I still enjoy the mechanical aspects of equipment and have pretty much worked on everything that would be in an office environment. From offset presses, typewriters, mimeos and duplicators, shredders, folders, bundlers and tyers, labelers and tabbers, anything and everything that can copy/print/fold/ spindle and mutilate paper. From liquid and estat copiers to dry toner to date. Have been with Canon and Mita/Kyocera Mita the longest. But my all time favorites were the Addressograph Multigraph addressing machines that embossed metal plates,( think dog tags ), and the plate feeders to imprint the embossing on to what ever you were printing on. Up until the early 2000's Yale still used these machines to address their college newspaper. Gears and cams and levers everywhere, clanking and banging, fun stuff.
        The only difference between a professional and an amateur is time and money!

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        • prntrfxr
          Service Manager

          1,000+ Posts
          • Apr 2008
          • 1627

          #19
          Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

          Originally posted by blackcat4866
          Like fixthecopier, I have worked on just about everything.

          Sure it can be scary, but I never walk in without a manual. And after 20 years, I haven't been totally stumped in a long time. Plus, I have the genius of all you guys & gals getting me through. A lot of it is attitude. Never give up (until it gets cost prohibitive).

          I can hardly imagine what it was like at the beginning: walking in with no experience and no idea what to do, just the guts to walk in dumb and try something. I guess things haven't changed as much as I thought. =^..^=
          Bolded portion above is the key right there.
          Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Coke in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!".

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          • banginbishop
            grumpy old git

            500+ Posts
            • Oct 2007
            • 894

            #20
            Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

            ricoh,canon,kyocera,hp,sharp,lexmark (authorised dealer for all) and any other crap that comes in. The reason is "get your foot in the door and a chance to upgrade to one of ours" Which is why I dont mind occasionaly dropping a service or parts manual off to someone who find themselves in the same predicament.



            oh I didnt say i was any good at any of them
            Incontinentia Buttocks

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            • kingarthur
              Service Manager

              1,000+ Posts
              • Feb 2008
              • 1327

              #21
              Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

              it's not a case of how many brands....but how many different types, cos i live on a small island, there aren't many techies, 3 in our company, as the senior tech, i get the "pleasure" of being asked to go & repair anything different that comes in, so in my time with this company (34 yrs) i've fixed adding m/c's & calculators (including pocket), cash tills (mechanical & electronic), intercoms, pricing guns, bursters, decollators, shredders, laminators, folder insertors, franking m/c's, copiers, printers,colleagues VCR & DVD players, their wives hairdryers, CCTV,faxes,binding m/c's..i'm sure i've missed something out.....basically whatever they "throw" at me..i'll try to fix....many a time i've attended a customers office never having seen the equipment & not knowing how to work it...in these situations, i ask the customer to show me what they were doing when it went wrong, then once i've seen them operate it, i now know how to work it...
              Tip for the day; Treat every problem as your dog would.....If you cant eat it or f*ck it....then p*ss on it & walk away...

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              • Max Kilby
                Technician
                • Oct 2011
                • 30

                #22
                Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                Originally posted by RRodgers
                All of them.
                Me too.

                Last training I had was in 1996.

                Things have moved on a bit since then and while I consider myself pretty good I do struggle a bit on some of the later machines.

                Me and my colleague work well together bouncing ideas, but we work for a guy who was a tech years ago and remembers how a tweek here and there can fix anything and it's just not like that these days. We are expected to do more and more with less and less. The pips are starting to squeak!

                I heard a story the other day on the radio where a guy was talking about investing in your staff - he said the only thing worse than investing in your staff and them leaving to work somewhere else, was NOT investing in your staff and them staying......

                Makes sense.

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                • ledoux
                  Technician

                  50+ Posts
                  • May 2009
                  • 75

                  #23
                  Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                  Sharp is our main line. We also do Kyocera and Canon. I've worked on Ricoh, Konica, and Mita in the past. After you've been doing this for while the trepidation of walking in on something you've never seen before fades. I was kinda lucky in the fact when I started in this business I was 18(31 now) I made my way up from delivering and Parts/Warehouse manager and didn't just get thrown in the field. I got to spend a lot of time in the shop with guys working on trouble machines. That was invaluable to me. But I will say no matter how much shop time you have it's so different in the field. I was still a nervous wreck for the first month of field time even though I had been working on them for probably 4 years at that point. I've recently transitioned more to the IT side of things and kinda went through the same thing for the first month or so. The copier business has been a wild ride but a fun one.
                  “Boring damned people. All over the earth. Propagating more boring damned people. What a horror show. The earth swarmed with them.” Buk

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                  • Shadow1
                    Service Manager

                    Site Contributor
                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1642

                    #24
                    Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                    I work directly for Ricoh (might as well say Ikon now, and we're going down the toilet just like they did, too), but they still want to pick up service on other brands to transition them to ours - I get stuck working on anything nobody else wants to touch... Started calling myself everybody's "miscellaneous bitch."

                    That mostly means Lexmark and HP. Copiers and printers don't scare me - once you understand the basic principals the details don't matter nearly as much as most people think. It's the oddball stuff that gets irritating - ever swap out the carriage drive belt in one of those oversize inkjet printers HP calls a plotter? It can be interesting, and the boss invariably wants to know why it took 3 hours, when you didn't even know to bring in the Torx screwdrivers.
                    73 DE W5SSJ

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                    • RRodgers
                      Service Manager

                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1947

                      #25
                      Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                      Originally posted by prntrfxr
                      It is very scary. I can remember the first time I worked on a color machine. There were techs in same company who refused to learn them.
                      So do those guys still have jobs?
                      Color is not 4 times harder... it's 65,000 times harder. They call it "TECH MODE" for a reason. I have manual's and firmware for ya, course... you are going to have to earn it.

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                      • jmaister
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                        Site Contributor
                        500+ Posts
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 755

                        #26
                        Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                        Doesnt it get confusing with many brands?

                        Do you have moments where you were to fix something but hours later EUREKA!, you found that you are deeply meditating on the wrong brand?

                        Just curious, I may have to learn multi brands too.

                        *dunno if i have enough RAM for it tho LOL
                        Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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                        • Venom
                          Technical/IT Support

                          500+ Posts
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 765

                          #27
                          Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                          [QUOTE=Shadow1;296692]I work directly for Ricoh (might as well say Ikon now, and we're going down the toilet just like they did, too), but they still want to pick up service on other brands to transition them to ours - I get stuck working on anything nobody else wants to touch... Started calling myself everybody's "miscellaneous bitch."

                          I know the feeling, when I worked at Ricoh I called myself the "Village Bicycle" because everyone rode me
                          IBM, Mita, Konica Minolta, Ricoh, Kyocera, HyPAS, Canon, Oce, Samsung, HP, TEO IP PBX/Unified Communications, Comptia Network+ Comptia PDI+ Certifications

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                          • blackcat4866
                            Master Of The Obvious

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                            10,000+ Posts
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 22997

                            #28
                            Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                            Originally posted by jmaister
                            Doesnt it get confusing with many brands?

                            Do you have moments where you were to fix something but hours later EUREKA!, you found that you are deeply meditating on the wrong brand?

                            Just curious, I may have to learn multi brands too.

                            *dunno if i have enough RAM for it tho LOL
                            Sometimes yes, confusing. But most times I can mentally categorize. The major difference between brands is service mode and way of executing adjustments. Once you've got your head in the right place, it all clicks.

                            When you're thinking about theory, or copy process, there are only so many engine types and all the same rules apply. =^..^=
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • mjarbar

                              #29
                              Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                              As an update my answer should now be 3 as we have ditched Samsung (we are still supporting the ones we have in the field just not selling them any more) but have now taken on Oki printers and MFP's.

                              Would still like to take on our sub contracted Ricoh's to bring them in house.

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                              • atwageman
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                                • Jun 2007
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                                #30
                                Re: How many brands are you expected to be good at?

                                I once worked for a company that would put service contract on a toaster if they thought they could make a nickel on it.

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