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  • Ctl-Alt-Del
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    #16
    Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

    Originally posted by Shadow1
    ...I'm voting for the guy who knows how to run a business...
    The problem is that Government is not a business and can't be run like one. Business are designed to make money, Government is designed to provide services and infrastructure.

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    • Shadow1
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      #17
      Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

      Originally posted by Ctl-Alt-Del
      The problem is that Government is not a business and can't be run like one. Business are designed to make money, Government is designed to provide services and infrastructure.
      ...in an efficient cost effective manner, just like a business. Another point: No government can keep spending more than they make and not collapse. And yet another point: Socialism has always failed as soon as it runs out of other people's money.
      73 DE W5SSJ

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      • DWise
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        #18
        Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

        Originally posted by Synaux
        Romney acted like a little kid in a candy store--obnoxious.
        Here is an idea!:
        Romney: pound the same points throughout the entire campaign without really saying anything and you will win the debate! (Oooops. you already did that--what a genius!)

        The moderator (forgot his name and too lazy to look it up) looked like he needed a nap.

        My question is:
        What is Romney running for that Obama isn't?


        The fact of there matter is that they are playing on the same basal platform--either way, we just might have to stick to fixing shyt (or in my case breaking shyt...lol).

        Are you really confused on the differences in their platforms??
        Do for one what you wished you could do for everyone. - Andy Stanley

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        • Hemlock
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          #19
          Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

          Romney's business plan, based on past performance, is to acquire, sell off in pieces to overseas investors and keep the profits for himself.

          Again, based on past performance, he'll likely sell off mineral rights to the Chinese, supply of social services to the Pakis, the universities to the Indians and policing will get contracted to the Israelis. The military will continue to get sold to Raytheon/Boeing/EADS/DynCorp/Haliburton/et cetera.

          And this is the business plan that y'all want for the country?
          “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” (Isaac Asimov)

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          • Synaux
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            #20
            Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

            Originally posted by DWise
            Are you really confused on the differences in their platforms??
            Not really. I was just observing that they make many of the same points against each other.

            It many respects it seems to me that if they weren't so partisan they would be bedfellows.

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            • RRodgers
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              #21
              Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

              Originally posted by Synaux
              Not really. I was just observing that they make many of the same points against each other.

              It many respects it seems to me that if they weren't so partisan they would be bedfellows.
              If they are sooo muvh the same then why didn't Obama spank back on the economy?
              Color is not 4 times harder... it's 65,000 times harder. They call it "TECH MODE" for a reason. I have manual's and firmware for ya, course... you are going to have to earn it.

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              • Synaux
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                #22
                Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                Originally posted by RRodgers
                If they are sooo muvh the same then why didn't Obama spank back on the economy?
                And Romney has spanked the economy?
                Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.

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                • RRodgers
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                  #23
                  Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                  Originally posted by Synaux
                  And Romney has spanked the economy?
                  Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.
                  But he has no problem blaming Bush for it.
                  Color is not 4 times harder... it's 65,000 times harder. They call it "TECH MODE" for a reason. I have manual's and firmware for ya, course... you are going to have to earn it.

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                  • MR Bill
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                    #24
                    Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                    Well CTL-ALT-DEL I have to disagree with you about the gov not being run like a business. Yes the gov is suppose to take care of a # of things. Infrastructure you said for one thing. I agree with you on that. Hiways, etc. But some of the services can be cut. There can be a balanced budget if they work at it. Romney mentioned Big Bird - Sesame street . Well that show will make it without me or you paying for it. I know, that's minor but it all adds up.

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                    • Synaux
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                      #25
                      Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                      Originally posted by RRodgers
                      But he has no problem blaming Bush for it.
                      I cannot say that Obama or his staff has directly blamed the Bush Administration of not. What is certainly crystal clear is that the US went from having a surplus for the first time in something like 30 years to having an extreme deficit.

                      I doubt any administration could fix such a thing with merely one term.

                      Anyways....personally I am not very pleased about the past 12+ years of government:
                      To much infighting, incivility, bi-partisanship, lobbyism, filibustering, personal interests for various politicians, pernicious but "legal" business dealings, et cetera.

                      It is broken--I think we need to replace the PCBs.

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                      • Shadow1
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                        #26
                        Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                        Originally posted by Synaux
                        Plus the President is not this omnipotent leader that people like to believe--alone the President cannot fix the economy.
                        Fix? Perhaps not, but he sure can hurt it worse. (Refer back to my original post)

                        The Obama administration is on track for 4 consecutive $Trillion deficits - a business certainly can't be run that way.

                        The democrats haven't passed a budget since anyone can remember - and that's from their democrat controlled chamber of congress - imagine trying to run a business like that?

                        A large part of the infighting isn't even the federal government's business. Read the constitution - most of the big arguments are way outside of the fed's jurisdiction. Not saying we don't need those services / policies / whatever, just that the founders intended most of those things to be dealt with on a state to state basis. Much easier to design a policy that works for your particular region, and also much easier to find which necks to choke...

                        And most importantly, government's job IS NOT to redistribute wealth. PERIOD. If you want to live under socialism, find a socialist country that will take you. I don't mean to say we don't need programs like unemployment, medicaid, or SSI, but these were intended to operate more like insurance and IRA's (until the democrats voted the SSI funds out of trust and into the general fund, thereby creating the world's biggest Ponzi scheme)

                        Nope - Government certainly isn't being run like a business, but the problem is not that it CAN'T be - just that it doesn't have to be. Government won't go out of business nearly as fast as a corporation when it has ineffective or bad leadership, but the inevitable collapse is much more spectacular when it finally happens.
                        73 DE W5SSJ

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                        • MR Bill
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                          #27
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                          US post office. If it was run like a business then They would be making money instead of being in the hole billions of $$$.
                          Our mail carrier is making about $70,000 plus bennies.

                          $70,000 for walking around handing out mail. Why is he making more than a delivery man for Fedex or UPS.?? Oh right. He works for the government. They don't need to make a profit.

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                          • mojorolla
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                            #28
                            Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                            Obama inherited this mess from Bush, let's be real here. He started 2 wars and then cuts a bunch of checks to taxpayers in 2008. Here, have some money!!! It stimulated absolutely nothing. Regardless of party affiliation, I cannot stand either party, our current mess has a lot to do with GW and his policies.
                            If you really wanna go back, blame Reagan. He is the one who removed the restrictions for the banking industry.

                            The government is not a business, it is a Ponzi scheme.
                            End all foreign aid, you gotta start somewhere.


                            Failing to plan is planning to fail!!!

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                            • Synaux
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                              #29
                              Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                              Originally posted by mojorolla
                              Obama inherited this mess from Bush, let's be real here. He started 2 wars and then cuts a bunch of checks to taxpayers in 2008. Here, have some money!!! It stimulated absolutely nothing. Regardless of party affiliation, I cannot stand either party, our current mess has a lot to do with GW and his policies.
                              If you really wanna go back, blame Reagan. He is the one who removed the restrictions for the banking industry.

                              The government is not a business, it is a Ponzi scheme.
                              End all foreign aid, you gotta start somewhere.


                              I entirely agree about Reagan. He basically started a mentality of something like "lets borrow today and have later generations pay for our expenditures"

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                              • ZOOTECH
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                                #30
                                Re: Impressions from Presidential Debate

                                Originally posted by Synaux
                                I entirely agree about Reagan. He basically started a mentality of something like "lets borrow today and have later generations pay for our expenditures"
                                Was that the "trickle down theory", or the "pissed on theory"?
                                "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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