Gun Control

[Shadow1]

Re: Gun Control

Here is the link to the group that claims guns prevent 2,191 gun crimes per day in the USA.

- Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

I could not find on the website how they arrived at this number. The website does not describe its membership numbers.

The Bloomberg truck does describe easily available fact. 12,000/365 = 33.

You can bet that 2191 is an underreported number - Just because a citizen used his CCW to defend against a crime does not mean it was reported - so long as no shots were fired many people consider it more of a hassle to file a report with the police and then have to defend their decision to unholster a firearm.

On the other hand, how many murders / missing persons go unreported???

... and by the way, I finally found where Yoko Ono got her 1,057,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA since 1980. It is a combination of the homicides with firearms and suicides with firearms (30.5k per year).

Pretty blatant use of creative math and statistics. A person serious about suicide will find a way to off themselves regardless. A gun may just be the most convenient for them.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense?


How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek

So how often do Americans use guns to defend themselves? If it almost never happens, then the NRA argument is based on a fallacy and deserves little respect in the fashioning of public policy. If, on the other hand, defensive gun use (DGU) is relatively common, then even a diehard gun-control advocate with any principles and common sense would admit that this fact must be given some weight.

Criminologists concur that the unusual prevalence of guns in America—some 300 million in private hands—makes our violent crime more lethal than that of other countries. (See, for example, the excellent When Brute Force Fails, by UCLA’s Mark Kleiman.) That’s the cost of allowing widespread civilian gun ownership: In this country, when someone is inclined to commit a mugging, shoot up a movie theater, or kill their spouse (or themselves), firearms are readily available.


One reason the gun debate seems so radioactive is that gun-control proponents refer almost exclusively to the cost of widespread gun ownership, while the NRA and its allies focus on guns as instruments and symbols of self-reliance. Very few, if any, participants in the conflict acknowledge that guns are both bad and good, depending on how they’re used. Robbers use them to stick up convenience stores, and convenience store owners use them to stop armed robbers.


As with everything else concerning guns in this country, the DGU question prompts divergent answers. At one end of the spectrum, the NRA cites research by Gary Kleck, an accomplished criminologist at Florida State University. Based on self-reporting by survey respondents, Kleck has extrapolated that DGU occurs more than 2 million times a year. Kleck doesn’t suggest that gun owners shoot potential antagonists that often. DGU covers various scenarios, including merely brandishing a weapon and scaring off an aggressor.


At the other end of the spectrum, gun skeptics prefer to cite the work of David Hemenway, an eminent public-health scholar at Harvard University. Hemenway, who analogizes gun violence to an epidemic and guns to the contagion, argues that Kleck’s research significantly overestimates the frequency of DGU.


The carping back and forth gets pretty technical, but the brief version is that Hemenway believes Kleck includes too many “false positives”: respondents who claim they’ve chased off burglars or rapists with guns but probably are boasting or, worse, categorizing unlawful aggressive conduct as legitimate DGU. Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.


What’s the upshot?


1. We don’t know exactly how frequently defensive gun use occurs.
2. A conservative estimate of the order of magnitude is tens of thousands of times a year; 100,000 is not a wild gun-nut fantasy.
3. Many gun owners (I am not one, but I know plenty) focus not on statistical probabilities, but on a worst-case scenario: They’re in trouble, and they want a fighting chance.
4. DGU does not answer any questions in this debate, but it’s a factor that deserves attention.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

Here is the link to the group that claims guns prevent 2,191 gun crimes per day in the USA.

- Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

I could not find on the website how they arrived at this number. The website does not describe its membership numbers.

The Bloomberg truck does describe easily available fact. 12,000/365 = 33.

... and by the way, I finally found where Yoko Ono got her 1,057,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA since 1980. It is a combination of the homicides with firearms and suicides with firearms (30.5k per year).

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10_us.html

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[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

I think anybody should fear a person with that gun in public. It is a weapon of war sold at retail. The video shows how in less than one minute you can fire 16 shot gun blasts into a human paper target.

I have read that gun manufactures design such weapons to entince white males who already own 20+ firearms to buy yet another one.

[Jimbo1]

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[Jimbo1]

Re: Gun Control

I watched the video and the SRM 1216 is a truly terrifying assault weapon designed to put a lot of ammo down range quickly, very capable of mass human carnage. This gun is a weapon well suited for war or mayhem.

You fear it because you have been taught that it's the machine and not the man that's the problem.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

I watched the video and the SRM 1216 is a truly terrifying assault weapon designed to put a lot of ammo down range quickly, very capable of mass human carnage. This gun is a weapon well suited for war or mayhem.

[Jimbo1]

Re: Gun Control

this may help your insecurities

SRM 1216 12 Gauge Semi-Automatic Fighting Shotgun

I would imagine so. Looks like a fun little item.

[Tonerbomb]

Re: Gun Control

this may help your insecurities

SRM 1216 12 Gauge Semi-Automatic Fighting Shotgun

[fixthecopier]

Re: Gun Control

I agree completely.
Let's quit giving billions and trillions of dollars to countries that don't want us in their backyards , and spend that money on OUR military and get it BACK to the awesome power it used to be, and let's protect OUR COUNTRY !

So how much more do we need to spend? How insecure are you?

http://cdn1.globalissues.org/i/military/12/country-distribution-2011.png

The U.S. spent more on defense in 2011 than did the countries with the next 13 highest defense budgets combined

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SOURCE: Data from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, SIPRI Military Expenditure Database. Compiled by PGPF.


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[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

Gun Violence Costs U.S. Health Care System, Taxpayers Billions Each Year

Gun Violence Costs U.S. Health Care System, Taxpayers Billions Each Year


In the American conversation, discussion of gun-related violence generally centers on the tragic loss of life or permanent injuries that result. But beneath these headline-grabbing, life-shattering facts are costs measured in vast numbers of dollars.

Firearms-related deaths cost the U.S. health care system and economy $37 billion in 2005, the most recent year for which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted an estimate. The cost of those who survive gun violence came to another $3.7 billion that year, according to the CDC.

Since the massacre of 20 children and seven adults in Newtown, Conn., last December, President Barack Obama has pushed for new laws aimed at reducing gun violence. Such an outcome would make a dent in overall American health care spending, said Garen Wintemute, the director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California Davis School of Medicine in Sacramento.
"We would save billions of dollars," Wintemute said. "We would realize two gains. One is we would save a lot of money and the other is we would have more resources available for treating injuries of other types."

The indirect costs of gun violence on the health care system can be hard to quantify and difficult to isolate from the money spent on preparedness for all kinds of traumatic injuries, in part because of a 1996 law restricting federal health agencies from researching the effects of firearms injuries and deaths.

A 2005 law curbed the rights of gun-violence victims, along with city and state governments, from suing firearms manufacturers to recoup these expenses.


For a patient with a gunshot wound, a single surgery followed by two days in the intensive care unit runs about $100,000.


Bullets are very good at what they're designed to do: cause massive injury to the human body, said Christopher Colwell, the director of the Department of Emergency Medicine at the Denver Health Medical Center.

He's especially haunted by one memory at Columbine: a boy, sitting dead, his math book still open on his desk. "These are visions you never lose."

[Tonerbomb]

Re: Gun Control

how about the plan to give out free shotguns in Tuson and Houston????

Plan to hand out free shotguns in Tucson stirs debate | Fox News

[HenryT2]

Re: Gun Control

Gun control: Obama invokes memory of Newtown in emotional plea

President says US should be ashamed if Newtown was being forgotten already

"Tears are not enough. Expressions of sympathy are not enough. Speeches are not enough. We have cried enough. We have known enough heartbreak. "

We have not forgotten Newton ..... or any of the other terrible massacres .

It seems the government only wants to keep a few of these current incidents in the news; when is the last time you have heard OBALMEA or any of the current government officials mention 9-11 , or the Oklahoma City bombings ?

Now is the time to turn that heartbreak into something real."

I agree completely.
Let's quit giving billions and trillions of dollars to countries that don't want us in their backyards , and spend that money on OUR military and get it BACK to the awesome power it used to be, and let's protect OUR COUNTRY !

[MR Bill]

Re: Gun Control

Well fixthecopier, I don't have a list of the countries that hate us. But you know there are some in the middle east that do. Egypt?? And I'm just assuming they hate us. They hate Isreal for sure.

And as far as Jesus. We base our dates on him. 2013 AD. Right. BC or AD. So yes I believe he was a great man. Is he the son of Jehovah god? I don't know. I'm not a christain.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Gun Control

Gun control: Obama invokes memory of Newtown in emotional plea

President says US should be ashamed if Newtown was being forgotten already and rejects criticism he has delayed on reform


Gun control: Obama invokes memory of Newtown in emotional plea | World news | guardian.co.uk

In a speech at the White House, attended by parents of gun victims, he said bluntly that the United States should be ashamed if the horror of Newtown was already being forgotten.

"Tears are not enough. Expressions of sympathy are not enough. Speeches are not enough. We have cried enough. We have known enough heartbreak. What we are proposing is not radical. It is not taking away anyone's gun rights. It is something if we are serious we will do. Now is the time to turn that heartbreak into something real."