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  • SlipperyCat
    Support Desk

    50+ Posts
    • Sep 2013
    • 63

    #16
    Re: anal customers

    Originally posted by Debs1964
    Quite a few years ago, one of my customers wanted me to make a copier do something it wasn't designed to do (but the salesman said it would do it!!!) after quite a bit of trying to reason with them, I pointed to my toolcase and told them that if they could find the magic wand in there, then I would fix their machine
    With my luck I'd be fired if I said that. Customer's will throw you under the bus for any slip of the tongue these days. Heck, they throw you under the bus regardless!

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    • Iowatech
      Not a service manager

      2,500+ Posts
      • Dec 2009
      • 3930

      #17
      Re: anal customers

      I don't think I've ever had a speed problem like that.
      But I have had people that don't know how paper types are classified try to claim that 100 lb card stock was supposed to feed through a machine that was rated at 68 lb tops like that one and had to show them the spec page from the service manual.
      Crap, that was a long sentence, sorry about that!

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      • blackcat4866
        Master Of The Obvious

        Site Contributor
        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2007
        • 23006

        #18
        Re: anal customers

        Originally posted by Iowatech
        ... But I have had people that don't know how paper types are classified try to claim that 100 lb card stock was supposed to feed through a machine that was rated at 68 lb tops like that one and had to show them the spec page from the service manual.
        ...
        I've found a sensible solution to the paper weight issue, that is understandable for most endusers. I have a pocket sized gram scale and a nifty spreadsheet.

        The universal measure for most media is grams per meter squared. So weight your suspect piece of paper in grams, select the paper size from 100 standard paper sizes, and the spreadsheet tells you how many g/m2. Then you can compare it to the machine spec sheet. Maybe even leave the customer a copy of the spec sheet.

        Is the spreadsheet still out here somewhere ... yes, here it is:
        Attached Files
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • slimslob
          Retired

          Site Contributor
          25,000+ Posts
          • May 2013
          • 37448

          #19
          Re: anal customers

          Originally posted by MHeon71
          It's good knowing that the sales person will reinforce false beliefs as well. Client expecting 55 cpm on legal and I had to inform that it was 35 cpm. Had to inform salesperson that cpm listed in model number was more toward 8.5X11 paper. Of course, there were other misquoted specs like finisher tray capacity, color cpm, etc.
          Not only is the spec for 8.5X11, but it is for long edge feed.

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          • simonsays
            Technician
            • Aug 2013
            • 95

            #20
            Re: anal customers

            Originally posted by blackcat4866
            I've found a sensible solution to the paper weight issue, that is understandable for most endusers. I have a pocket sized gram scale and a nifty spreadsheet.

            The universal measure for most media is grams per meter squared. So weight your suspect piece of paper in grams, select the paper size from 100 standard paper sizes, and the spreadsheet tells you how many g/m2. Then you can compare it to the machine spec sheet. Maybe even leave the customer a copy of the spec sheet.

            Is the spreadsheet still out here somewhere ... yes, here it is:
            Dont blame the paper fix the machine. ive been doing this for 35 years and never had real issues with the weight of paper if the machine is running the way it should you shouldnt ever have the issues your talking about

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            • slimslob
              Retired

              Site Contributor
              25,000+ Posts
              • May 2013
              • 37448

              #21
              Re: anal customers

              Originally posted by Iowatech
              I don't think I've ever had a speed problem like that.
              But I have had people that don't know how paper types are classified try to claim that 100 lb card stock was supposed to feed through a machine that was rated at 68 lb tops like that one and had to show them the spec page from the service manual.
              Crap, that was a long sentence, sorry about that!
              Specs are on most brochures. Problem is they see the g/m2 and use that number.

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              • blackcat4866
                Master Of The Obvious

                Site Contributor
                10,000+ Posts
                • Jul 2007
                • 23006

                #22
                Re: anal customers

                Originally posted by simonsays
                Dont blame the paper fix the machine. ive been doing this for 35 years and never had real issues with the weight of paper if the machine is running the way it should you shouldnt ever have the issues your talking about
                If only all of us could live in your world of pure imagination:





                or would you prefer the slightly more ... psychotic variation on the same theme:





                I prefer the Gene Wilder version. He's quite charming, yet just as delusional at the Johnny Depp character. "What we'll see will defy explanation."

                You're right. Paper probably has nothing to do with the printing process.
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • banginbishop
                  grumpy old git

                  500+ Posts
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 894

                  #23
                  Re: anal customers

                  give me gene wilder any day. There is a story that he doesn't talk about that film but a mum or mom (for the Americans on here) saw him in a grocery store and spoke to him about the film as the daughter was there and he did have a chat with the daughter which is a very nice thing as he's a bit of a recluse by all accounts now.
                  Incontinentia Buttocks

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                  • blackcat4866
                    Master Of The Obvious

                    Site Contributor
                    10,000+ Posts
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 23006

                    #24
                    Re: anal customers

                    This interview took place 13 June 2013. I hope I'm just as sharp when I'm 80.

                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • Iowatech
                      Not a service manager

                      2,500+ Posts
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3930

                      #25
                      Re: anal customers

                      Originally posted by simonsays
                      Dont blame the paper fix the machine. ive been doing this for 35 years and never had real issues with the weight of paper if the machine is running the way it should you shouldnt ever have the issues your talking about
                      With all due respect, a lot of us don't repair machines owned by MENSA like you apparently do, so our customers have their own needs and beliefs that cause them to not understand the spec sheets as given. So unlike you, paper weights and types are a problem the rest of us run into from time to time.
                      Also, your spelling sucks. There is supposed to be an apostrophe in all of these words: Don't, I've, and Shouldn't. Try harder, you imbecile.

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                      • slimslob
                        Retired

                        Site Contributor
                        25,000+ Posts
                        • May 2013
                        • 37448

                        #26
                        Re: anal customers

                        Originally posted by simonsays
                        Dont blame the paper fix the machine. ive been doing this for 35 years and never had real issues with the weight of paper if the machine is running the way it should you shouldnt ever have the issues your talking about
                        I have been working on copiers for more than 40 years. I remenber the days of the paper pirates. A maintenance customer who had purchased paper for a while would call with a copy quality problem. I would take a couple of dozen sheets of OEM paper with me to the call. If the machine made good copies on my paper, I would show the customer the difference between the two papers. It would be a charge for me to adjust the machine to the paper they were using. There would be no guarantee that it would continue to work when they opened another package of paper. They quickly found that cheap paper was actually costing them more.

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