Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

[Copier Addict]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

I always liked the early Konicas. I felt like the merger was when they tanked. Minolta bankrupted their company so Konica hands the reins of their to the bad managers? makes sense to me. Minolta was always the driving force behind their color though.

Oh well...all ancient history now.

As a legacy Minolta dealer, I know the Minolta 45 to 55 ppm machines weren't great, but, when we got saddled with the Di551/7155 we realized the Di450/550 were perfect compared to them.
Yup, ancient history.

[Coptech]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

As a legacy Minolta dealer, I know the Minolta 45 to 55 ppm machines weren't great, but, when we got saddled with the Di551/7155 we realized the Di450/550 were perfect compared to them.
Yup, ancient history.

Understood, I was on the other side of the fence, Legacy Konica and when the service modes and codes started making sense to nobody, the complaints started flying. And yes, the 7155 was a weird box. Seemed to dump toner and could not keep clean. Feed units were easy to service but required too much service. The prior machines were much stronger (except for the 7055 7065) Still, compared to some of the current machines, they were not as bad as they got to be.

I HATED the days right after the merger when nobody had a clue who was in charge and what the combination was going to put out next.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Understood, I was on the other side of the fence, Legacy Konica and when the service modes and codes started making sense to nobody, the complaints started flying. And yes, the 7155 was a weird box. Seemed to dump toner and could not keep clean. Feed units were easy to service but required too much service. The prior machines were much stronger (except for the 7055 7065) Still, compared to some of the current machines, they were not as bad as they got to be.

I HATED the days right after the merger when nobody had a clue who was in charge and what the combination was going to put out next.

The darkest days were when they threw the Bizhub 500 into the mix. They already had a B&W machine that barely worked so they thought "Let's put another one out there and see how it goes". lol
The only thing worse than one POS is two POSs.

[mowpro]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

By far the machine that I hate to work on the most is the xerox 9201 colorqube. Every call takes up half your day purging print heads and masking jets. The 30 min warm up time is ridicules. The only positive thing about them is they rarely jam.

[mbcruzin]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Any Konica Minolta that ends with an E! These have been the biggest piles of crap I've seen since Ricoh thought it was a great idea to use gel ink instead of toner.

[subaro]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Anything that says Kyocera.

If my memory serves me right, there was a thread that asked the opposite question. something like the best copier you worked on, i tried to find it but could not at the moment. Anyway the consensus seemed to be the kyocera falcon2 series. km-3035.

[NeoMatrix]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

If my memory serves me right, there was a thread that asked the opposite question. something like the best copier you worked on, i tried to find it but could not at the moment. Anyway the consensus seemed to be the kyocera falcon2 series. km-3035.

http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/rants-raves-and-everything-else/577-best-copier-ever.html

hth

[The CopyDoc]

Re: Which copier was the biggest peice of crap ever?

Anybody who worked on the TOSHIBA c3511 knows it was the worst engineered copier ever! I never saw 1 with a 1,000 total prints that didn't need a $1,000 dollars in parts, MODs didn't help, Carousel developers would fling toner everywhere! Transfer Belt tore on every machine! Cleaner blade scratched the crap out of the drum, and leaked all over the laser unit. The engineers should have to fall on their Swords for that piece of junk! They looked nice though...

[banginbishop]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

sr-3150 i think with the booklet maker. staple head goes out of alignment. I recently had the whole of the inside removed and in bits to realign the unit, the dev units are hit and miss and it doesn't help you can't just replace the dev. ive had the pt roller stick giving patchy copies, the ITB unit shreds? the pf drive unit bends a pin giving a clicking sound - twice i've had that. the fusers are yuk.

today the black dev unit shredded a drive gear - ripped the teeth to shreds.

oh and ive had the cyan toner hopper worm screw bend and buckle to stop the toner being dropped into the dev unit.

I cant believe that they have got this so wrong when the previous range was a really good machine. I dont think ive seen many parts hit the pm cycle - bugger knows what will happen when the crappy toner hits them at my place!

More crap from this range of machines - press roller drive gears

[subaro]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Hp 9000 mfp. machine takes a million years to boot and then when you think it going to be ready some error code. ok, so you think you found the problem and same procedure again, wait, wait and wait hoping not to see the red blinking light and only to go through this again. paper jam, you have to open every jam door or cover and if you are not familar with the machine can't find the paper. stupid error codes that have no meaning that hp can't decode properly, and lct that test your nerves.

[Sharptech0892]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Sharp 7800, 2020, 2118,2114,7850,2116.........they are a piece of junk

Don't forget the mx-6201

[emilio559]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Anything that has the name FRONTIER from sharp

[copydocinc]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Mita 213, before all the modifications and a close 2nd place?..... Mita 213 after all the modifications.
I remember our Mita rep coming to our office and giving our sales people a hard time, saying any sales person can sell a good copier, but it takes a great salesperson to sell a Mita 213.

[Kevin Flynn]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

Anything with dispersant or a Secretary III

[Hi-Tech Rick]

Re: Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

The 3M machine that used the pink tissue paper and special white transfer paper to make a copy. First 'copier' I remember.