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  • Hansoon
    Field Supervisor

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    • Sep 2007
    • 3389
    #1

    Any of you guys EVER seen this?

    Aftermarket separation roller newly installed 3 weeks ago. Now this customer and many others with the same type of roller installed are calling for paper jams. The PU material is so soft that the pressure on it is causing a huge indentation.

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    • KenB
      Geek Extraordinaire

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      • Dec 2007
      • 3944
      #2
      Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

      Yikes!

      I remember that very same issue 25 years or so ago on Canon paper decks.(The NP6650 and NP8530 in particular)

      Granted, they lasted longer than 3 weeks, but not by a lot.

      And that was with factory parts.
      “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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        • mrwho
          Major Asshole!

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          • Apr 2009
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          Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

          You did a lousy job hiding the manufacturer's name - was that on purpose?
          ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
          Mascan42

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          I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!

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            • Hansoon
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              • Sep 2007
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              Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?



              Hans
              “Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0”

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                • CompyTech
                  Super Tech

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                  • Feb 2011
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                  #5
                  Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                  Those rollers look like crap for sure. Never seen green KM rollers either

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                    • Akitu
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                      • Oct 2010
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                      Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                      You should track down some of those older U shaped roller forms and hack that gel down to size. I would hazard a guess that the added support of the U bracket might make the indentation less prevalent, what with the roller/gel being formed to it a little better.
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                        • mo0651
                          Service Manager

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                          • Apr 2009
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                          #7
                          Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                          You think the roller is malfunctioning???

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                            • Akitu
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                              • Oct 2010
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                              Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                              Originally posted by mo0651
                              You think the roller is malfunctioning???
                              I'm spitballing at ways to get some use out of terrible material. I mean, the paper is obviously too hard here...
                              Cthulhu for president! Why settle for the lesser evil?

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                                • logrady2331
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                                  • Feb 2011
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                                  #9
                                  Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                  Katun stuff sucks. Why use aftermarket when OEM is less than twenty dollars for ALL THREE?

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                                    • blackcat4866
                                      Master Of The Obvious

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                                      • Jul 2007
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                                      Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                      Back in my Canon days OEM feed rollers with 150K copies worked better than new K**** rollers just out of the package. Complete crap. =^..^=
                                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                        • KenB
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                                          • Dec 2007
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                                          Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                          Aftermarket fused rollers were the worst.

                                          No matter which brand, they ALL sucked, big time.
                                          “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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                                            • Iowatech
                                              Not a service manager

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                                              • Dec 2009
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                                              Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                              I haven't seen that in years. I think the last time I saw that was on the rollers between the fuser and sorter on Canon NP6085s. But those rollers were close to ten years old then, and if you didn't catch them in time the rubber part of the roller would assume the viscosity of pudding.
                                              That's also weird as when the Riso GRs came out with feed tires that were the same blue color they were harder than anything we had ever seen before.

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                                                • habik
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                                                  Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                                  I had this sep roller and to the best of my knowledge it was OEM. Since we use vendor branding and in parts manuals the numbers were different, so I can't back track, but this for sure was on hard roller and I ditched it as it would wear out the orange feed roller twice as fast and still causing no feed jams. I wonder if the torque limiter was actually the problem, as it seems to me that this roller definitely suffered from it.
                                                  Have had these flats on C550 when the LCT tray 3,4 main drive was causing intermittent jamming.
                                                  Or weak sep. roller spring in the bracket. Not enough force to turn the sep. roller so it just slides the paper along and gives it a shave.


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                                                    • habik
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                                                      • Apr 2010
                                                      • 2013
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                                                      Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                                      Just checked that picture enlarged and that looks like the roller has been bullied by the feds.... Hahaha
                                                      Sucks that you have to change the lot .. Again!
                                                      Might be wise make couple beforehand and just swap it on flight.


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                                                        • CompyTech
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                                                          • Feb 2011
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                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Any of you guys EVER seen this?

                                                          Originally posted by Iowatech
                                                          That's also weird as when the Riso GRs came out with feed tires that were the same blue color they were harder than anything we had ever seen before.
                                                          Ha! we were cleaning out old desk drawers in the shop awhile back, found a set of those.. Initially I asked our Riso guru what they were for, he basically said they were useless..

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