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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Re: Need some advice on learning networking

    Originally posted by bsm2
    One thing to check on client pc if can't print or scan to pc is does pc have a hard wire and wireless turned on.

    Always use the hardwire connection faster
    Disable the wireless

    You're right and I'm aware of that. At this last job the customer's computers were all wireless. No ethernet connection. I explained to him that ethernet was faster and more reliable and he told me that the ethernet cords looked messy and he didn't want that. I said whatever. I didn't really say that to him but that's what I was thinking. lol

    I'm seeing wireless in more and more offices. Some have wireless access points all over the place. They just don't want a wired connection and they don't understand anything.

    Edit: In a lot of older buildings there are no ethernet jacks in the wall and the customer isn't gonna pay to have them run. So their solution is to go wireless. Doesn't cost much money and they don't have to run ethernet cords along the floor/walls/ceiling or whatever. What they don't understand is that wireless is slower and sometimes unreliable.
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    • BillyCarpenter
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      In my quest to learn routers my curiosity got the best of me and I discovered there are home routers and then there are enterprise routers. And there's a BIG difference between the two. Some of the Cisco Enterprise Routers are very complicated and a person would need to spend a lot of time just learning them. I think they have complete certification courses for just the router. I know this is something I will never use, so why do I find myself wanting to learn it? You can pick some up on Ebay pretty cheap. They're not the latest and greatest but they're good enough to learn on in a home lab. I probably don't need to go there.
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      • Tricky
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        Re: Need some advice on learning networking

        Excellent video on traceroute here, in fact all of his video's are really good.

        Traceroute (tracert) Explained - YouTube

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          Re: Need some advice on learning networking

          Originally posted by skynet
          Excellent video on traceroute here, in fact all of his video's are really good.

          Traceroute (tracert) Explained - YouTube

          Dude, I watched that exact video last night. LOL
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          • tsbservice
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            Re: Need some advice on learning networking

            Why this thread rating isn't Excellent
            I vote now!
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            • slimslob
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              Re: Need some advice on learning networking

              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              In my quest to learn routers my curiosity got the best of me and I discovered there are home routers and then there are enterprise routers. And there's a BIG difference between the two. Some of the Cisco Enterprise Routers are very complicated and a person would need to spend a lot of time just learning them. I think they have complete certification courses for just the router. I know this is something I will never use, so why do I find myself wanting to learn it? You can pick some up on Ebay pretty cheap. They're not the latest and greatest but they're good enough to learn on in a home lab. I probably don't need to go there.
              When it comes to enterprise routers many of them are programmable. Their ports can be programed as to what will be connected to them such as computers and printers/multi-function devices. If a port is programmed for a computer it will not support out going print activity. I have had locations where there were 2 or more jacks in a room all getting valid DHCP connection to the same subnet but only one would support a printer.

              BTW there are also internet routers that direct data packets over what at that moment is the fastest route between two locations.

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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Originally posted by slimslob
                When it comes to enterprise routers many of them are programmable. Their ports can be programed as to what will be connected to them such as computers and printers/multi-function devices. If a port is programmed for a computer it will not support out going print activity. I have had locations where there were 2 or more jacks in a room all getting valid DHCP connection to the same subnet but only one would support a printer.

                BTW there are also internet routers that direct data packets over what at that moment is the fastest route between two locations.
                I find all of this stuff highly interesting. My problem is trying to prioritize all of this stuff. I feel like I've learned a lot, yet i know I still have a long ways to go. I think my next purchase will be a Windows Server. Probably a Dell.
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                • BillyCarpenter
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                  Originally posted by tsbservice
                  Why this thread rating isn't Excellent
                  I vote now!
                  It seems like a lot of folks aren't interested in this stuff. Either that or they already know it. Probably the latter.
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                  • slimslob
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                    Re: Need some advice on learning networking

                    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                    I find all of this stuff highly interesting. My problem is trying to prioritize all of this stuff. I feel like I've learned a lot, yet i know I still have a long ways to go. I think my next purchase will be a Windows Server. Probably a Dell.
                    Or maybe a Linux server. You can then run Windows in a virtual machine.

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                    • Tricky
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                      Originally posted by slimslob
                      Or maybe a Linux server. You can then run Windows in a virtual machine.
                      Many years ago I ran Windows XP virtualized within linux. It booted much faster than the original os on its own hard drive.

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                      • slimslob
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                        Originally posted by skynet
                        Many years ago I ran Windows XP virtualized within linux. It booted much faster than the original os on its own hard drive.
                        My youngest daughter is a computer science professor at California State University. She and her entire department use Windows 10 in virtual machines on Linux.

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                        • n25an
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                          Originally posted by slimslob
                          My youngest daughter is a computer science professor at California State University. She and her entire department use Windows 10 in virtual machines on Linux.
                          Can someone here pro vs con running windows 10 in a virtually. Vs from a windows terminal server environment...???
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                          • BillyCarpenter
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                            I've been playing around with a lot of settings in Windows 10, the firewall, and my router. I didn't think much of it until I tried scanning to folder here at the office. It wouldn't work for anything. I used the troubleshooting list that n25an posted in this thread and I must say that it's a damn good troubleshooting list. Still, nothing worked. I spent several hours and was very frustrated to say the least.

                            There's one thing n25an left off his list.

                            I had also changed the DNS settings on the copier itself. Don't ask. After correcting that problem all worked fine.
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                            • slimslob
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                              Re: Need some advice on learning networking

                              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                              I've been playing around with a lot of settings in Windows 10, the firewall, and my router. I didn't think much of it until I tried scanning to folder here at the office. It wouldn't work for anything. I used the troubleshooting list that n25an posted in this thread and I must say that it's a damn good troubleshooting list. Still, nothing worked. I spent several hours and was very frustrated to say the least.

                              There's one thing n25an left off his list.

                              I had also changed the DNS settings on the copier itself. Don't ask. After correcting that problem all worked fine.
                              By any chance was the computer you were trying to scan to connected wireless using a USB WiFi device. I have over the years encountered at least 1 USB WiFi device that blocked file sharing.

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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                Originally posted by slimslob
                                By any chance was the computer you were trying to scan to connected wireless using a USB WiFi device. I have over the years encountered at least 1 USB WiFi device that blocked file sharing.

                                I've got several windows 10 computers and it wouldn't scan to any of them - wireless or wired. What I did was change the DNS server settings on the coper to the IP address of the router when I was learning to print to hostname. That worked when printing to hostname but scanning to SMB won't work. I really didn't understand what I was doing at the time. Live and learn.
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