Canon IR5075 ADF Problem - correct size not recognized when copy original thru ADF

[pcernicky]

When the originals are placed on adf and copied the copier doesn't recognize correct size of the original and just copies letter size.

Recently I had to do SYST INI for the sensors.

Thank you.

[zoraldinho]

When the originals are placed on adf and copied the copier doesn't recognize correct size of the original and just copies letter size.

Recently I had to do SYST INI for the sensors.

Thank you.

Try to adjust tray width.

To adjust the tray width, go through the steps under either "1. AB-Configuration"
or "2. Inch-Configuration."


1. AB-Configuration
1) Turn on the host machine, and start its service mode.
<Starting Service Mode>
Press the User Mode key; press the 2 and 8 keys at the same time;
then, press the User Mode key once again.
2) Touch the following in sequence on the screen to bring up the Adjustment
screen: FEEDER>FUNCTION>TRY-A4.
3) Move the tray side guide to the index A4/A3.
4) Press the OK key to register the A4 width.
5) Move the tray side guide to the index A5R.
6) Touch [TRY-A5R] to highlight.
7) Move the tray side guide to the index A5R.
8) Press the OK key to register the A5R width.
9) Press the Reset key twice to end service mode.
10) Turn off the host machine's control panel power switch and main power
switch in sequence.
11) Turn on the host machine's main power switch.
2. Inch-Configuration
1) Turn on the host machine, and start its service mode.
<Service Mode>
Press the User Mode key, and press the 2 and 8 keys at the same time;
then, press the User Mode key once again.
2) Touch the following in sequence on the screen to bring up the Adjustment
screen: FEEDER>FUNCTION>TRY-LTR.
3) Move the tray side guide to the index LTR/11x17.
4) Press the OK key to register the LTR width.

Check detecting sensor PI3

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[pcernicky]

Thank you. I'll try this.

[pcernicky]

So here is the problem, when I copy original letter long way the copier doesn't turn image to tray 1 letter size, also when copying legal, the image is shifted on the copy and only 75% visible.

Any help?

Thank you.

[charm5496]

additional functions>copy settings>Auto Orientation Make sure this is set to 'ON'

[pcernicky]

additional functions>copy settings>Auto Orientation Make sure this is set to 'ON'

Yes thats sat to ON.

The main problem is that when you copy legal size from the glass it copies ok, when you put it thru ADF it seem that is copying on 11x17 size, since when the copies come out 75% and shifted right. Same thing when i put letter size R way it ask for 11x17 and then only copies 10% on the regular letter paper.

Any suggestions?

Thank you...

[teckat]

Yes thats sat to ON.

The main problem is that when you copy legal size from the glass it copies ok, when you put it thru ADF it seem that is copying on 11x17 size, since when the copies come out 75% and shifted right. Same thing when i put letter size R way it ask for 11x17 and then only copies 10% on the regular letter paper.

Any suggestions?

Thank you...

is this the DADF-S1 (Single Pass Duplex Feeder) ???


CHECK>>>>
Level 1>COPIER>OPTION>BODY> MODEL-SZ is set to "1".
Check in Level 2 COPIER>OPTION>BODY>SENS-CNF is set to"1"


Initializing Common and Copy settings will reset to factory settings.

COPIER > FEEDER > FUNCTION
TRY-A4 Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 1 of the ADF original
pickup tray. (A4)
TRY-A5R Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 2 of the ADF original pickup tray. (A5R)
TRY-LTR Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 1 of the ADF original pickup tray. (LTR) 1
TRY-LTRR Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 2 of the ADF original pickup tray. (LTRR) 1

FEED-CHK Use it to check paper movement in the ADF on its own.
Procedure
1) Press FEED-CHK to highlight.
2) Type in the appropriate paper feed mode using the keypad.
3) Press the OK key.
4) Press FEED-on to check the operation.
Paper Feed Mode Number
0: simplex pickup delivery operation
1: duplex pickup delivery operation
2: simplex pickup delivery operation (w/ stamp)
3: duplex pickup delivery operation (w/ stamp)

The machine retains ADF-related service data in the RAM of its Reader Controller.
ADF adjustment is necessary whenever you have
replaced the reader controller or initialized the RAM.
b. original stop position adjustment (X direction)
(stream reading)
FEEDER>ADJSUT>DOCST
c. original feed speed (magnification) adjustment
FEEDER>ADUST>LA-SPEED

[pcernicky]

is this the DADF-S1 (Single Pass Duplex Feeder) ???


CHECK>>>>
Level 1>COPIER>OPTION>BODY> MODEL-SZ is set to "1".
Check in Level 2 COPIER>OPTION>BODY>SENS-CNF is set to"1"


Initializing Common and Copy settings will reset to factory settings.

It is DADF - standard set up.

I initialize all settings to factory and still same issue, so that's why I'm thinking it might be related to my recent sensor replacement in DAF and performing SYST INI.

Thank you.

[teckat]

what do u mean standard set up ??

what happens if u put LTR in DADF tray- ??

is this what your DADF looks like>
DADF S1.jpg

Make the following adjustments if you have replaced any of the following parts:
- reader controller PCB
- post-separation sensor PCB (PCB2)
- read sensor PCB (PCB3)
- delivery reversal sensor PCB (PCB4)
***If you have replaced any of the sensors (i.e., PCB2, PCB3, PCB4), be sure to clean the surface of the prism before starting to make these adjustments.
*FEEDER>FUNCTION>SENS-INT
Press the OK key.
In response, the machine will run an automatic adjustment session, and will indicate 'OK!' if it ends normally.
*When done, end service mode.
Then do the TRAY ADJUSTMENTS-POSTED BY zoraldinho

+++++check these settings for ADF Controller PCB
In a service mode, input the correcting values described on the service label found at the backside of the front cover.Size detecting sensors document width
PI7-1
PI8-2
PI9-3
PI10-4

PI4-LTR-R/LGL sensor Identify a document as LGL or LTR
PI3-A4/LTR detecting sensor Identify a document as AB series or INCH series
DF.JPG

[pcernicky]

what do u mean standard set up ??

what happens if u put LTR in DADF tray- ??

is this what your DADF looks like>
[ATTACH=CONFIG]8026[/ATTACH]

Make the following adjustments if you have replaced any of the following parts:
- reader controller PCB
- post-separation sensor PCB (PCB2)
- read sensor PCB (PCB3)
- delivery reversal sensor PCB (PCB4)
***If you have replaced any of the sensors (i.e., PCB2, PCB3, PCB4), be sure to clean the surface of the prism before starting to make these adjustments.
*FEEDER>FUNCTION>SENS-INT
Press the OK key.
In response, the machine will run an automatic adjustment session, and will indicate 'OK!' if it ends normally.
*When done, end service mode.
Then do the TRAY ADJUSTMENTS-POSTED BY zoraldinho

+++++check these settings for ADF Controller PCB
In a service mode, input the correcting values described on the service label found at the backside of the front cover.Size detecting sensors document width
PI7-1
PI8-2
PI9-3
PI10-4

PI4-LTR-R/LGL sensor Identify a document as LGL or LTR
PI3-A4/LTR detecting sensor Identify a document as AB series or INCH series
[ATTACH=CONFIG]8027[/ATTACH]

Yes this is the correct DADF. I will try to enter all the settings for the ADF controler PWB.

Thank you.

[Canuck]

What sensor did you replace you cause you to initialize them? It only affects transmitter/receiver type sensors, not photo-interrupts.

[pcernicky]

What sensor did you replace you cause you to initialize them? It only affects transmitter/receiver type sensors, not photo-interrupts.

PCB2, PCB3, PCB4

Even after sensor replacement i had same false jamming errors in the feeder,but after syst ini it went away.

[pcernicky]

what do u mean standard set up ??

what happens if u put LTR in DADF tray- ??

is this what your DADF looks like>
[ATTACH=CONFIG]8026[/ATTACH]

Make the following adjustments if you have replaced any of the following parts:
- reader controller PCB
- post-separation sensor PCB (PCB2)
- read sensor PCB (PCB3)
- delivery reversal sensor PCB (PCB4)
***If you have replaced any of the sensors (i.e., PCB2, PCB3, PCB4), be sure to clean the surface of the prism before starting to make these adjustments.
*FEEDER>FUNCTION>SENS-INT
Press the OK key.
In response, the machine will run an automatic adjustment session, and will indicate 'OK!' if it ends normally.
*When done, end service mode.
Then do the TRAY ADJUSTMENTS-POSTED BY zoraldinho

+++++check these settings for ADF Controller PCB
In a service mode, input the correcting values described on the service label found at the backside of the front cover.Size detecting sensors document width
PI7-1
PI8-2
PI9-3
PI10-4

PI4-LTR-R/LGL sensor Identify a document as LGL or LTR
PI3-A4/LTR detecting sensor Identify a document as AB series or INCH series
[ATTACH=CONFIG]8027[/ATTACH]

Hi Guys,

Now I'm getting the same problem with the correct copy size of the glass.

When original is placed on the glass, the copier automatically chooses lgl size, i can turn letter either way.

PLS help.

Thank you.

[teckat]

The machine identifies the size of an original with reference to the combination of measurements taken of the light reflected at specific points of the CCD and the output of a reflection type sensor. It takes measurements at 2 points for individual sizes to ensure correct identification even in the event that the original is displaced while the ADF is being closed.

- for main scanning direction, by the CCD (for AB, 8 points; for inch-configuration, 6 points)
- for sub scanning direction, by a reflection type photo sensor (for AB-configuration, 1 point; for inch configuration, 1 point)
The machine identifies the size of an original as follows:
1) External Light (main scanning direction only)
While keeping the scanning lamp off, the machine measures the CCD level at individual points of
measurement in main scanning direction.
2) Sensor Output Level
The machine turns on the scanning lamp, and measures the CCD level at individual points of measurement in main scanning direction. Also, the machine turns on the LED of the reflection type photo sensor in sub scanning direction to measure the sensor output. It uses the combination of the measurement and the output to identify the size of the original in question.

Points of Measurement Used for Original Size Identification
For main scanning direction, the machine moves the No. 1 mirror base to the point of CCD original detection to measure the CCD level at individual points of measurement. For sub scanning direction, the machine uses the outputs of original sensors 1 and 3.
Checking the Presence/Absence of an Original at 2 Points (individual points of detection)
For main scanning direction, the machine identifies the presence/absence of an original with reference to the CCD output at 2 points (nearest).

COPIER > FEEDER > FUNCTION
TRY-A4= Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 1 of the ADF original pickup tray. (A4)
TRY-A5R= Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 2 of the ADF original pickup tray. (A5R)
TRY-LTR= Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 1 of the ADF original pickup tray. (LTR)
TRY-LTRR= Use it to execute automatic adjustment of paper width detection reference point 2 of the ADF original pickup tray. (LTRR)

COPIER > OPTION > BODY
MODEL-SZ= Use it to switchover the default magnification ratios and ADF original size detection.
0: AB (6R5E)
1: inch (5R4E)
2: A (3R3E)
3: AB/inch (6R5E)