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  • JERRY D
    Technician
    • Mar 2009
    • 31

    #1

    Canon s1 finisher

    In the parts manual, the solenoid that lifts the exit rollers up & down is not shown with the link it pulls with. I can find it pictured in the in the section of the portable manual that describes the function. In the finisher I'm repairing the solenoid link is "disconnected" from the lifting bar. I have looked at the parts & service manuals to see how it connects but it is not a well drawn area. I suspect something has broken off. Have you seen this? Can you help me understand what is missing?
  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 22970

    #2
    I've been in there, but not often enough to know it well.

    The problem that I was working on was the pusher mechanism that operates on cams, to push the finished sets out of the stapling tray. The one thing I can tell you for sure was it took me three tries to get it re-assembled in working order.

    Maybe teckat has some wisdom for you. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • teckat
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      • Jan 2010
      • 16083

      #3
      u mean the the rollers do not move at all ?????


      u mean this part
      it comes complete/
      SL2/OFFSET SOLENOID ASS'Y=4F3-0244-000


      what is missing or damaged ??

      **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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      • JERRY D
        Technician
        • Mar 2009
        • 31

        #4
        I haven't removed the S1 finisher from the copier. I removed the covers so I could see what it was having trouble with. That way I can run it & observe. The link/arm I described in my thread is not connected at the operation end. It is attached to the solenoid but just flops around at the other end. Was my thread not clear enough?

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        • teckat
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          • Jan 2010
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          #5
          u mean the arm from the solenoid ????

          best thing for observation >
          is to remove unit & inspect interior !!
          **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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          • JERRY D
            Technician
            • Mar 2009
            • 31

            #6
            S1 FINISHER 003.jpgS1 FINISHER 002.jpgSorry, I guess I'm not getting the you the information you need to help me. Maybe these images will help you. I don't need to remove the entire finisher to see and repair the affected area. The link/arm is attached to the solenoid and seems to be just fine. It just isn't connected at the operational end and flops around. If the images are clear enough you should be able to tell what i'm saying. Thanks.
            S1 FINISHER 001.jpg

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            • BluePatriot

              #7
              teckat's right. pull the finisher out, you may have more than one broken plastic assembly or missing piece(s).

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              • teckat
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                • Jan 2010
                • 16083

                #8
                on Q30 #1- I believe that Lever sits against #16 HOLDER LEVER OFFSET ROLLER


                remove the unit & inspect
                **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                • JERRY D
                  Technician
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 31

                  #9
                  I will gladly remove the entire finisher for inspection if and when, after I get this problem repaired, I continue to have another SEPARATE issue. But this problem is obvious. I have read the function description and it is clear to me what is wrong. The solenoid link (totally missing in the parts drawing but shown and described in the function section) is attached to the lift assembly HOW?

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                  • totoro
                    Senior Tech

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                    500+ Posts
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 568

                    #10
                    Jerry,
                    The solenoid link has a hole in the bottom that fits over a protrusion on the end of the lever cr estrangement. It is part 1 on figure Q30. You can see the end protrusion by looking at the part. I have had this end protrusion break off and had the symptoms of sets pushed on the floor and very messy sets. Look carefully at the end of the black plastic lever and you'll probably find a rough edge where the customer broke it off clearing a jam wrong. I was able to drill a hole in the wide part of the plastic and run a tie wrap through it to fix the issue. Otherwise you'll have to order a new lever.
                    Totoro

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                    • teckat
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                      • Jan 2010
                      • 16083

                      #11
                      already posted to Jerry to inspect that LEVER/

                      Jerry, don't know if u are a tech, as a Senior Troubleshooter, if u called me to look at your issue, and u said that u did not pull out the unit- u might be looking for a new job-
                      **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                      • totoro
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                        • Apr 2008
                        • 568

                        #12
                        Oops sorry teckat,

                        I was so excited to see someone have a problem that I've had to fix myself, that I skipped over your post. Should have known better than to post an answer in a thread that you're involved in. BTW many thanx for all the info that you post on this site. It has been a great help to me.
                        Totoro

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                        • teckat
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                          • Jan 2010
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by totoro
                          Oops sorry teckat,

                          I was so excited to see someone have a problem that I've had to fix myself, that I skipped over your post. Should have known better than to post an answer in a thread that you're involved in. BTW many thanx for all the info that you post on this site. It has been a great help to me.

                          Thanks for the complement>
                          but all support is needed in these forums from anyone who has key info on posted issues-

                          **think that S1 poster needs to follow a procedure & all the info available in here
                          **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                          • blackcat4866
                            Master Of The Obvious

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                            • Jul 2007
                            • 22970

                            #14


                            He can't or won't see it.
                            ... doesn't matter. (but funny) =^..^=
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • JERRY D
                              Technician
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 31

                              #15
                              Not funny to me! And, yes, I'm a tech. 45 years in this business and very good at what I do. I'm just not a Canon trained tech. My job requires me to address anything my employer throws at me. Thanks to Totoro for the answer to my question! Instead of running me in circles. He thinks like I do. In the future, if I see a post on something I'm very familiar with, I'll try to be helpful and polite.

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