Canon Image ADV C5030

[KM7155]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

As a color copier tech, i do understand the up and down of an color copier, but not my customer.
the problem is there got 2 color copiers, 1 canon, 1 KM. the KM serve them perfectly, but this new canon
serve them badly. I try to print the pic sample from the windows 7, it came out both KM and Canon almost
identical color, just that the canon color is a bit dim. now i suspect is the particular image file that giving me the
headache.

[KL568]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

As a color copier tech, i do understand the up and down of an color copier, but not my customer.
the problem is there got 2 color copiers, 1 canon, 1 KM. the KM serve them perfectly, but this new canon
serve them badly. I try to print the pic sample from the windows 7, it came out both KM and Canon almost
identical color, just that the canon color is a bit dim. now i suspect is the particular image file that giving me the
headache.

If the pic sample is printed from the same Win7, results differ means it either driver / copier. Not much you could do if KM is using postscript-based driver. You could use the "Manual Colour settings" and set it to "Kyuanos" :

Kyuanos.jpg

This was jointly developed with MS but I have yet to have chance to work it on "live" environment.

Just for my understanding, in your experience of KM, if this Customer of your have 2 identical KM copier, would it print out the as exact when printing 10 copies each?

[KM7155]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

If the pic sample is printed from the same Win7, results differ means it either driver / copier. Not much you could do if KM is using postscript-based driver. You could use the "Manual Colour settings" and set it to "Kyuanos" :

[ATTACH=CONFIG]13638[/ATTACH]

This was jointly developed with MS but I have yet to have chance to work it on "live" environment.

Just for my understanding, in your experience of KM, if this Customer of your have 2 identical KM copier, would it print out the as exact when printing 10 copies each?

hi, the KM machine indeed do have the PS chip built in whereby the C5035 don't have.
the customer only have 1 KM machine, but i did try other KM machine at other customer, the print out also not much different when compare
with both KM machine.

[charm5496]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

if they want good quality from the Canon then they will need to purchase the PS option so it is closer to waht they want. The UFR driver is a generic driver and stands for Ultra Fast Rendering which doesn't suggest that it is on the side of quality as you can see. There are several options in the UFR that you can adjust depending on the program/file type they are printing from. Do some reading on it as there are many good websites to learn from on this topic and how a print driver should be configured.

[KL568]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Hi, KM7155

The Canon without PS, would not be able to achieve anything remotely close to your KM (possibly using Fiery printer driver??). This business color copier with just UFRII is meant for normal colour print, period.

Guess you have some explaination to your Customer that they have short-end of the deal from the salesman.

[KM7155]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Hi, KM7155

The Canon without PS, would not be able to achieve anything remotely close to your KM (possibly using Fiery printer driver??). This business color copier with just UFRII is meant for normal colour print, period.

Guess you have some explaination to your Customer that they have short-end of the deal from the salesman.

Hi, the KM machine use only PCL driver. Yes, i do have feeling that i need to explain to customer that the canon is limited machine
in terms of color printing...
by the way, how come this machine can't use standard tcip to print? the machine only accept print job thru UFRII port.

[blackcat4866]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Before I had this "limitations" discussion I would use ColorPic and the Pantone strips to identify exactly how close the colors really are. All you know for sure right now is that the monitor does not look like your print, which means absolutely nothing. You cannot use a computer monitor as your quality reference. You're just setting yourself up for failure.

ColorPic will help you identify the RGB numbers of the intended color.

The Pantone strips will help you identify the RGB numbers of the printed color.

Are they the same or close? Great. Until you make this comparison you know nothing. =^..^=

[KM7155]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Hi Guys,

please refer to the attachment, what do u think?
the left image is printed by KM, the right image is printed by Canon.
the exact colour at the pc screen is like the left image, which is a bit greenish.

[teckat]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Hi Guys,

please refer to the attachment, what do u think?
the left image is printed by KM, the right image is printed by Canon.
the exact colour at the pc screen is like the left image, which is a bit greenish.

Every output device will have its unique color signature, displaying a certain color according to manufacturing tolerances and material deterioration through use and age.

The conductive qualities and standards-compliance of connecting cables, circuitry and equipment can also alter the electrical signal at any stage in the signal flow.

There are two different methods of calibrating the engine using ColorCal and one method using a spectrophotometer.
Using ColorCal will require a Gray Scale Strip. Additionally, using ColorCal, the calibration can be performed from the engine or Command Workstation, while when using a spectrophotometer Command Workstation must be used.



DID U READ THIS PDF> ???

[KM7155]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

There are two different methods of calibrating the engine using ColorCal and one method using
a spectrophotometer.
Using ColorCal will require a Gray Scale Strip. Additionally, using
ColorCal, the calibration can be performed from the engine or Command Workstation,
while when using a spectrophotometer Command Workstation must be used.



DID U READ THIS PDF> ???

Hi teckat,
yes, i have done the colour calibration according the tech buletin.
and the copying is ok, the machine can read the colour and copy out the same colour.
i use the KM print out sample to copy at the canon machine, and the out put is same colour (greenish) as the KM print out.
i just face problem when i print directly from the PC.

[blackcat4866]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

As long as you persist with this " ... print should look like the monitor... " stuff I can't take you real seriously. You just failed Color Basics 101. Turn in your tools at the door (if you have any, it doesn't sound like it.)

I tell you what. I'll pose the question for you. You just fill in the blanks. I think the answer will suggest itself:

Hi.
I'm having trouble getting the precise color output I'm looking for when printing to a:_________ (fill in your copier here).
The document is a:_________ (.doc, .pdf, .tif, .xls, ...), see attached document:
The application is:_________ (Microsoft Word 2007, Adobe Acrobat, ... )
The color I'm having trouble matching is R:__ G:__ B:__ as identified with ColorPic.
The resulting color I'm getting on the print is R:__ G:__ B:__ (approximately R:111. G:106, B:102) as identified with my Pantone swatches.
I'm using :___ weight, :___ brightness paper, on :___ media settings.

By comparing the CMYK values I've identified that:
Cyan is ___ (low/high) by:___
Magenta is ___ (low/high) by:___ (low/ approximately 9%)
Yellow is ___ (low/high) by:___
blacK is ___ (low/high) by:___ (low/approximately 16%)

I've done a complete color calibration on the printer.
I've tried shifting the color values in the print driver for C:___, M:___, Y:___, K:___, (M:9%, K:16%) and I can only get as good as R:___, G:___, B:___, as identified with my Pantone swatches.

What else can I do?

And I don't think that you've done a complete color calibration or attempted any color adjustments in the driver.
The numbers you see here are based on a 150 pixel x 84 pixel thumbnail, of a photo, of a print. In other words, very inaccurate.
To get any real print image flexibility you really need the Imagepass B1 option.

Rule #1: Define the problem. "I don't like the color... " isn't quite good enough information to base any action on.

Sample Left.JPGSample Right.JPG

=^..^=

[mikeadel]

Re: Canon Image ADV C5030

Also if it has a Fiery attached, this will definetly need calibrated after copier grad adjust. You will need the gray scale strip that comes with the Fiery print controllers

you cannot compare a monitor to the ouptut on the paper. two totally different types of images and if that screen has not been calibrated how can your copier match it?

Have you run the auto gradation and done your color check on the copier? this should be done daily by the customer!!!
if it has an imagepass did you calibrate it?
what type of program are they printing from?
can you compare the output to another device possibly at your office?
is the print driver and application they are using setup and configured properly?