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  • pmailfl
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    • May 2009
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    #1

    C9075, will it run on 240v ?

    I'm having a C9075 Pro installed this week, electrician is out here and the power is 240V Single phase. Canon literature calls for a 15amp 208V outlet. Does anyone know if the machine will run on 240 as well, or do I need to have a transformer installed?
  • SCREWTAPE
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    Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

    Originally posted by pmailfl
    I'm having a C9075 Pro installed this week, electrician is out here and the power is 240V Single phase. Canon literature calls for a 15amp 208V outlet. Does anyone know if the machine will run on 240 as well, or do I need to have a transformer installed?
    I would stick to guidelines.

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    • Herrmann
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      • Jan 2006
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      Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

      I would suggest you to compare the parts number of the psu unit with mine in europe, where 240 Volts are standart. Mine is FM3-4877 and FM3-4878 for DC PSU 12 and 24 Volts, maybe that helps.
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      • Cycle Clutch
        Technician
        • Feb 2013
        • 25

        #4
        Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

        You will need to use a bucking (step-down) transformer to obtain the correct operating voltage.
        According to Canon, failure to ensure the correct voltage can result in erroneous error codes and
        component failure.

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        • blackcat4866
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          Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

          I don't know if it will help you but I've had some Konica Minolta experience with 220V 20A USA specs.

          We placed 20 units. At 4 locations we had a ton of problems: error codes and jam conditions, usually when the machine was idling, and at a specific time of day. At each of these locations I set up the power quality analyzer.


          At 220V specs, most of the outlets read 208V: the absolute minimum (or lower). Once corrected we did get one location with the full 240V (very unusual) and just fine.

          I would take a close look at the machine's power specs. Usually they read something like this: 220VAC +10%/-5%, ground to neutral less than 0.5VAC

          Did that help any?
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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          • teckat
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            Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

            208 volts between two phases comes from a three phase transformer, while 240 volts phase to phase comes from a single phase, center tapped transformer.


            208 is the net voltage developed between any pair of the three legs of a 120V three phase distribution. The individual legs are 120V to neutral and 120 degrees out of phase with each other. The 208V is in essence a single phase voltage when used as such.

            220/240 is the distribution in a residence where its split single phase - 110/120 between either hot leg and neutral, and 220/240 across the two hot legs which are 180 degrees out of phase.
            Using equipment rated for 208 with 220/240 service or vice versa is generally not a good idea.
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            • V-P
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              • Apr 2011
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              #7
              Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

              Teckat just nailed it.

              I had similar problem with Heidelberg QuickMaster PRO coming from USA to Europe.

              We used a trasnformer to adapt to our system.

              Be careful though - Transformer power should be 1.5 x the requested power of the machine

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              • Fer
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                250+ Posts
                • Nov 2009
                • 267

                #8
                Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                Most of Europe is 230V these days. Equipment here should be able to work at 240, it's less than 105%.

                Only older equipment is built for 220V, sometimes they start buzzin at 230

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                • pmailfl
                  Technician
                  • May 2009
                  • 35

                  #9
                  Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                  The spec sheet says 208 +- %10, which will only put it at 228. My meter reads 241, so not taking any chances. Will either run a step-down to the machine or a bigger step-down to a sub-panel so I have room for expansion (I have a 7105 I want to move to this location as well, also rated the same).

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                  • tinnyjay
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                    • Oct 2009
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                    Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                    Originally posted by pmailfl
                    I'm having a C9075 Pro installed this week, electrician is out here and the power is 240V Single phase. Canon literature calls for a 15amp 208V outlet. Does anyone know if the machine will run on 240 as well, or do I need to have a transformer installed?

                    If this machine uses 208 volts single phase,it means it uses a 220 v line.It doesnt need a transformer because every machine operate minimally +,- 10% and Europe uses 220 v lines and i do not think it is 240 volts because single phase machines are made for 220 volts in Europe and 110 volts in USA.Even a 220 volts line never send to the outlet 220 volts,it must be a little lower even the line could be very good.At all,you do not have to use a transpormer for this reason and if you choose to use,find a good one,
                    because you cant believe a costly machine to a little chinese transformator
                    Bye
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                    • pmailfl
                      Technician
                      • May 2009
                      • 35

                      #11
                      Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                      Originally posted by tinnyjay
                      If this machine uses 208 volts single phase,it means it uses a 220 v line.It doesnt need a transformer because every machine operate minimally +,- 10% and Europe uses 220 v lines and i do not think it is 240 volts because single phase machines are made for 220 volts in Europe and 110 volts in USA.Even a 220 volts line never send to the outlet 220 volts,it must be a little lower even the line could be very good.At all,you do not have to use a transpormer for this reason and if you choose to use,find a good one,
                      because you cant believe a costly machine to a little chinese transformator
                      Bye
                      I measured the voltage across the two hots on a double-pole breaker. It is definitely 240 and the line is only going to be 10 feet from the panel, so it's not going to drop off that much. This is a commercial office machine, and in the US, most buildings are wired three phase. Taking the two hots from any of the three phases gives you 208 (as was pointed out). The building this machine is going in has older wiring, similar to residences in the US which is 120 across each leg, giving 240. That's why kitchen appliances and window AC units here are made to run on 240 and office equipment is made to run on 208.

                      I would love to know if anyone in the US has a Canon machine rated at 208 running on a 240 line. My 7105 in my other office is rated for 208 and that's what I have there.

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                      • blackcat4866
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                        Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                        Originally posted by teckat
                        208 volts between two phases comes from a three phase transformer, while 240 volts phase to phase comes from a single phase, center tapped transformer.


                        208 is the net voltage developed between any pair of the three legs of a 120V three phase distribution. The individual legs are 120V to neutral and 120 degrees out of phase with each other. The 208V is in essence a single phase voltage when used as such.

                        220/240 is the distribution in a residence where its split single phase - 110/120 between either hot leg and neutral, and 220/240 across the two hot legs which are 180 degrees out of phase.
                        Using equipment rated for 208 with 220/240 service or vice versa is generally not a good idea.
                        Thanks teckat. I didn't know about the three-phase part. =^..^=
                        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                        • Cycle Clutch
                          Technician
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 25

                          #13
                          Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                          In the USA there are generally two types of AC power configurations
                          used in commercial buildings: Delta and Y configurations. For the
                          Delta configurations, the outlet power is 240 volts AC. If a Y
                          configuration is used, (the most common), the outlet power will be
                          208 volts AC. In a single phase Delta configuration, the voltage across
                          any of the the three legs in the 3-phase transformer output is 240 volts
                          and the output from the center tap of a leg is 120 volts. On the other
                          hand, in a single phase Y configuration, the voltage measured from neutral
                          to any of the three legs in its 3-phase transformer is 120 volts. In order to
                          obtain 208 volts, the output from two legs are added together. The reason
                          that adding two 120 volt legs together does not yeild 240 volts is that
                          the two legs are approximately 90 degrees out of phase, and when added
                          together there is a voltage loss.

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                          • teckat
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                            Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

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                            • tinnyjay
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                              • Oct 2009
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                              #15
                              Re: C9075, will it run on 240v ?

                              Originally posted by pmailfl
                              I measured the voltage across the two hots on a double-pole breaker. It is definitely 240 and the line is only going to be 10 feet from the panel, so it's not going to drop off that much. This is a commercial office machine, and in the US, most buildings are wired three phase. Taking the two hots from any of the three phases gives you 208 (as was pointed out). The building this machine is going in has older wiring, similar to residences in the US which is 120 across each leg, giving 240. That's why kitchen appliances and window AC units here are made to run on 240 and office equipment is made to run on 208.

                              I would love to know if anyone in the US has a Canon machine rated at 208 running on a 240 line. My 7105 in my other office is rated for 208 and that's what I have there.
                              If you see parts manual of Canon IR7105 about power supply (all day power supply) it is written 200 volts and it works with 240 volts.
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