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  • vins
    Technician
    • Oct 2013
    • 18

    #1

    what "pre transfer " uses for ?

    my ir6020 is not equipped with this part.. what the effect to my machine if this part not installed ? thank you

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  • teckat
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    • Jan 2010
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    #2
    Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

    Originally posted by vins
    my ir6020 is not equipped with this part.. what the effect to my machine if this part not installed ? thank you

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    Can cause Light Prints (including in solid black area) (or overall )


    AC constant voltage control: fuzzy by environment sensor
    DC constant current control: on/off control only
    **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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    • Tricky
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      • Apr 2009
      • 2620

      #3
      Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

      I was told on a Toshiba training course that pre transfer removes any static charges from the paper prior to the copy process.

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      • teckat
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        • Jan 2010
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        #4
        Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

        pre-transfer charging control system:
        1. controlling the constant current level of the DC bias
        2. controlling the fixed voltage level of the AC bias
        3. controlling the output to suit the environment (fuzzy control)/The pre-transfer charging current is optimized to suit the environment (i.e., reading of the environment sensor):


        JUST PURCHASE ONE
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        • Canuck
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          • Nov 2007
          • 1713

          #5
          Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

          Simply speaking...the pre-transfer loosens up the toner "latent" image on the drum before it is transferred to the paper by the transfer corona/ETB assembly. The AC component of it equalizes the charge of the image before transfer, just like separation AC removes charge on paper before fusing

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          • blackcat4866
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            • Jul 2007
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            #6
            Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

            From a practical point of view, the blocks probably shorted out, and the tech didn't have the part on-hand. So he removed the shorted unit, and left it that way. I can't explain why he would have left it that way. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • ZOOTECH
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              • Jul 2007
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              #7
              Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              From a practical point of view, the blocks probably shorted out, and the tech didn't have the part on-hand. So he removed the shorted unit, and left it that way. I can't explain why he would have left it that way. =^..^=
              His name was probably 'Bob'.
              "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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              • vins
                Technician
                • Oct 2013
                • 18

                #8
                Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                thankyou for your replies. and i want to ask, why my machine only gives about 15,000 sheets (for 1 kilogram toner) yields (almost only text ? what settings that i must check ?

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                • teckat
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                  • Jan 2010
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                  #9
                  Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                  Originally posted by vins
                  thankyou for your replies. and i want to ask, why my machine only gives about 15,000 sheets (for 1 kilogram toner) yields (almost only text ? what settings that i must check ?
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                  Canon standard for testing & posting toner usage\coverage yield volume is _
                  5%>6% text coverage on letter size.
                  **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                  • ernesto
                    Trusted Tech

                    250+ Posts
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 430

                    #10
                    Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                    Originally posted by teckat
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                    Can cause Light Prints (including in solid black area) (or overall )


                    AC constant voltage control: fuzzy by environment sensor
                    DC constant current control: on/off control only
                    Hi,

                    Do you know the best way to clean the wire of the pretansfer unit ? it can be cleanned with alcohol ?

                    All the best

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                    • vins
                      Technician
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 18

                      #11
                      Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                      Originally posted by teckat
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                      Canon standard for testing & posting toner usage\coverage yield volume is _
                      5%>6% text coverage on letter size.
                      i compare with another machine (iR5070) 5070 can make 25,000 copies. either 6020 and 5070 machine almost i use for copying text

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                      • teckat
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                        #12
                        Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                        Originally posted by vins
                        i compare with another machine (iR5070) 5070 can make 25,000 copies. either 6020 and 5070 machine almost i use for copying text
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                        Estimated average values in the field, based on data from supplier.
                        Data is subject to change depending upon many factors including, without limitation, monthly copy volume, environment, type of image printed and customer handling of the equipment.

                        imageRUNNER 5070
                        Estimated Toner Yield: 45,000 Images (at 6% Letter Coverage)
                        Canon OEM>GPR-17 Black Toner 0279B003AA--(Dry Volume: 2,000 g)


                        imageRUNNER 5020/6020
                        Estimated Toner Yield:: 33,000 Images (at 6% Letter Coverage)
                        Canon OEM>GPR-4 Black Toner 4234A003AA--(Dry Volume: 1,650g)

                        Even if box has Canon OEM > no guarantee it is ( counterfeit products & packaging are worldwide )
                        **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                        • vins
                          Technician
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 18

                          #13
                          Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                          Originally posted by teckat
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                          Estimated average values in the field, based on data from supplier.
                          Data is subject to change depending upon many factors including, without limitation, monthly copy volume, environment, type of image printed and customer handling of the equipment.

                          imageRUNNER 5070
                          Estimated Toner Yield: 45,000 Images (at 6% Letter Coverage)
                          Canon OEM>GPR-17 Black Toner 0279B003AA--(Dry Volume: 2,000 g)


                          imageRUNNER 5020/6020
                          Estimated Toner Yield:: 33,000 Images (at 6% Letter Coverage)
                          Canon OEM>GPR-4 Black Toner 4234A003AA--(Dry Volume: 1,650g)

                          Even if box has Canon OEM > no guarantee it is ( counterfeit products & packaging are worldwide )

                          regarding that data .. 1000 g dry volume of toner >> 5070 = 22,500 images, and 6020 = 20,000 images.

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                          • teckat
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                            • Jan 2010
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                            #14
                            Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                            Originally posted by vins
                            regarding that data .. 1000 g dry volume of toner >> 5070 = 22,500 images, and 6020 = 20,000 images.
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                            means nothing > it's just called ESTIMATE > take it with a "Grain of Salt"=to view something with skepticism, or to not take it literally.

                            **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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                            • nmfaxman
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                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1702

                              #15
                              Re: what "pre transfer " uses for ?

                              5% fill is the equivalent to one paragraph double spaced.

                              I tell customers to expect have the yield or more if graphics are in document.
                              Why do they call it common sense?

                              If it were common, wouldn't everyone have it?

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